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Hello,
Edwin Wheeler (bd1886) and sister Lilian Maud (bd1888) were orphaned in 1892. They may have been placed in the workhouse. 1901 Census has Edwin living at Highbury House, Bath, St Saviour's parish, Walcot, with several other boys. Would this be one of Bath's Scattered Homes?
Also, in 1912, Edwin gave the address 2 Malcombe Rd, Durley Park, Bath as his last residence. Then he died. I am hoping this was his sister Lily's address.
Is Melcombe Rd, Durley Park, Bath still standing and how would I find who lived there in 1912?
Thanks for any help,
Barb, BC, Canada
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No that place isn't one of the scattered home, by the time he was orphaned he may well have been expected to fend for his self. I have looked at my notes about boarded out children and his name doesnt come up. Just for interest the scattered home names were by the start of the 20th C:
Five Ways House at Batheaston
Larkhall Place
15 Lambridge Place
Thomas Street (this may have been changed for another house by the end of 19C)
Butty Piece Cottage
1&2 Bridge Street
14 Caroline Buildings
Sorry I can't help anymore
Anne
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Thanks for the info Anne,
Edwin, the oldest sibling, was 6 when parents died in 1892 and I think the 3 young children went into Odd Down Union House. Sister Elsie died in 1895 and the informant was Mr Eddols, Master of the workhouse.
I've not yet found the records of the Union House to see the circumstances of their admittance and discharge.
Regards,
Barb in BC, Canada
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Quick look at Bath Post Office Directory.
There does not appear to be any street of that name, Melcombe Road, in 1912 and no E Wheeler at any address which looks like like Melcombe Road.
There are now some flats in Melcombe Road but they were not built until the mid 1970s. The houses in Melcombe Road were probably 1920s.
radstockjeff
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Hi was " Lily" registered as Maude Lilian Wheeler Sept qtr 1888 Bath 5c 595, as I can locate in 1891 a 2 year old Lily in a hospital, but in 1901 a Maud L Wheeler aged 12 b Bath shown as Niece to a Henry & Ellen Golledge at 11, Phillip Street, Bath Census Ref RG13/2340/39/18
Keyboard86
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Hi was " Lily" registered as Maude Lilian Wheeler Sept qtr 1888 Bath 5c 595, as I can locate in 1891 a 2 year old Lily in a hospital, but in
1901 a Maud L Wheeler aged 12 b Bath shown as Niece to a Henry & Ellen Golledge at 11, Phillip Street, Bath Census Ref RG13/2340/39/18
I looked at the 1901c entry earlier and did wonder
marriage entry 1872 Bath
Henry Gollege name on same page Ellen Wighton
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Hello & a warm welcome to Rootschat bjmacwill :)
Take a look at the link below regarding workhouses Bath, Somerset
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Bath/
There’s wide variety of records including: Guardians' minute books (1836-1930) available at Bath & North East Somerset Record Office
(if you click on that name it takes you to another page and there’s an email address – perhaps they may be able to help)
Were their parents
William Frederick Wheeler & Emma nee Ro(w)lands living Peter Street, Bath, Somerset, England in 1891,
Fredk Wheeler 32 occ Tailor, Emma 38, EDWIN 5 & Elsie 2 Weeks, all born Bath
Bath BMD has Edwin & Lilian birth entries as
1886 Edwin Charles mmn Rolands
1888 Maud Lilian mmn Rowlands
1891 Elsie mmn Roland
marriage
1879 Bath Register Office
WHEELER William Frederick
ROWLANDS Emma
Did Edwin have siblings that died?
Frederica b/d1881, Ida Egeria Winifred b1882d1883
(both have mmn Rowland)
I don’t know if there’s a connection may just be a coincidence there’s a
Fredk Wm Wheeler age 7 born c1884 Bath with his grandparents and their surname is ROWLANDS they are living Oldfield Park Terrace, Sydenham Road, Bath, Somerset in 1891
I'm not seeing a FWW mmn Rowlands on Bath BMD although there is one for a
Frederick William Wheeler in 1883 BUT his mother's maiden name is BAILEY :-\
there's this marriage in 1881 Bath Register Office WHEELER Charles / BAILEY Emily
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I forgot to check Bath BMD for the 1872 marriage ::)
It looks as if Ellen Wighton was previously married indicated by the two surnames
Bath Register Office
GOLLEDGE Henry ROWLAND Ellen
GOLLEDGE Henry WIGHTON Ellen
There’s a death of a
James WIGHTON age 38 in Bath Jun qtr 1871
1871c Bath
James age 37 & Ellen WIGHTON age 28
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VFJ1-F7F
this is the only marriage I could find
Dec 1867 Cardiff
James WIGHTON name on same page Ellen RAWLINGS
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Oh my gosh! Thank you everyone. I’ve been trying to track down my putative grandfather for years and suddenly getting several clues.
My father was a Home Child sent to Canada in 1924. Documents from the Foundling Hosp say that, in early 1910, his father, Edwin Wheeler, disappeared when told of the pregnancy. Edwin was working as a footman/valet in Park Lane, West London.
In 1911, this Bath Edwin Wheeler was living in Kensington, 42 Bramber Rd, and hired as footman by George Vanderbilt and died in 1912 on the Titanic. No other Edwin Wheeler fits the bill as far as age, occupation or marital status in 1911, so I hope to find a living relative who will either share DNA or know where Edwin worked in London.
Here’s the family I’m seeking (I’m awaiting BMD from the GRO to tie things together)
1879 Frederick William Wheeler marries Emma Rowlands in Bath
1881- 1881 Frederica
1882 – 1883 Ida
1886 – 1912 Edwin Charles
1888 – Maude Lilian – 1901 Census in Hosp and 1911 as niece
1891 – 1895 Elsie (awaiting DC to see if she died in Odd Down Union House)
Perhaps there was a Frederick William born before Edwin and living with grandparents. I see Bathforum school records with Mrs Rowlands as guardian. (Bath Record Office site) I’ll pursue that angle. There is no record of Emma after 1891. Dead, disappeared, hospital?
Thank you for the connection of Ellen Golledge to Ellen Rowlands. Now to see if Maud Lilian married Mitchell or Eades abt 1908. And if they lived in Durley Park in 1911/12. And if she had any children.
Thanks again,
Barb, in BC, Canada
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I don’t know if there’s a connection may just be a coincidence there’s a
Fredk Wm Wheeler age 7 born c1884 Bath with his grandparents and their surname is ROWLANDS they are living Oldfield Park Terrace, Sydenham Road, Bath, Somerset in 1891
I'm not seeing a FWW mmn Rowlands on Bath BMD although there is one for a
Frederick William Wheeler in 1883 BUT his mother's maiden name is BAILEY :-\
there's this marriage in 1881 Bath Register Office WHEELER Charles / BAILEY Emily
Frederick William Wheeler was baptised in 1894, with parents recorded as Frederick William and Enna [sic] and DOB 27 Jan 1884. If his parents didn't baptise him at the usual time perhaps they didn't register the birth either. Or perhaps there's a mistake in BathBMD; there's another Wheeler/Bailey child registered in the same quarter in a different sub-district of the city. Unless there was another Wheeler/Bailey couple something must be wrong.
David
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Now to see if Maud Lilian married Mitchell or Eades abt 1908.
And if she had any children.
Hope this helps
WHEELER Lilian
MITCHELL Arthur Valentine
1908 Bath Register Office
Mitchell births from BathBMD
1908 Arthur Charles mmn Wheeler
1910 Roy-de-lorraine mmn Wheeler
signing off now as it's after 11pm here
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Did you find the Mitchell family on 1911 census sorry we can't do look ups thefree index
shows a Lily Mitchell born c1890 Bath Somerset
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X7RV-1YG
Roy de Lorraine Mitchell
Year 1939
Soldier Number 973691
Royal Artillery attestations 1883-1942
you'll find his marriage here in 1939 http://www.bathbmd.org.uk
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Just noticed Edwin Charles was baptised at the Abbey at the same time as Frederick William, with the same parents and DOB 27 Feb 1886. Address for both was 10 Helting Court.
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=7587845&v=MTQwNDE2MzY0NDpiYWE4MTQ1ZGNkYWM2ODY5NWMwN2ZmOTU4MWMyZWQxOTIwOTYwMjY2
David
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Hi again, death Frederick William Wheeler March qtr 1898 Bath 5c 472 aged 14
Keyboard86
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In 1911, this Bath Edwin Wheeler was living in Kensington, 42 Bramber Rd, and hired as footman by George Vanderbilt and died in 1912 on the Titanic.
No other Edwin Wheeler fits the bill as far as age, occupation or marital status in 1911, so I hope to find a living relative who will either share DNA or know where Edwin worked in London.
Interesting that he was possibly known as ''Fred'' and there's a picture
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0170l/
2nd Class passenger on Titanic
Wheeler, Mr. Edwin Charles "Fred" age 24 Bath, Somerset, England
boarded Southampton destination Asheville, North Carolina, USA
Just noticed Edwin Charles was baptised at the Abbey at the same time as Frederick William, with the same parents and DOB 27 Feb 1886. Address for both was 10 Helting Court.
Great find David your link is showing the baptism of a Elizabeth Francis Hay Harris
So I’ve added the links from FreeREG for
Edwin Charles Wheeler
http://www.rootschat.com/links/016zv/
Frederick William Wheeler
http://www.rootschat.com/links/016zw/
from Bath BMD
1892 WHEELER Frederick 33 Walcot - First Series Bath
1898 WHEELER Frederick William 14 Walcot - First Series Bath
This is the only death I'm seeing for Emma Wheeler which would be a close match to the year
born as per 1891c
1913 WHEELER Emma 60 Lyncombe/Widcombe - First Series Bath
Do you have the d/c for Emma's husband, if so who was the informant?
Referring back to the 1891 census where Fredk Wm WHEELER is living with his grandparents
John & Eliza ROWLANDS there is also two step daughters Annie & Sarah with the surname COTT
This 1896 marriage at Bath Register Office maybe worth investigating to see if Eliza also had a daughter named Emma
CANE Frank COTT Emma
CANE Frank WHEELER Emma
Mmm... if it was the same Emma she's taken 10 years off her age
(as per 1891 census Emma WHEELER nee ROWLANDS was aged 38 born 1853 Bath Somerset)
1901c Frank CANE & Emma age 38 (born c1863 Twerton, Somersetshire)
are living 4, Church Street Bath Somerset
see link below for 1871 census shows
John & Eliza living with them a daughter named Emma age 16 born c1855 Twerton also daughters Annie & Sarah & son Thomas age 9,
all have surname ROWLANDS
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VFJB-CLM?cc=1538354
1881c John, Eliza, Annie, Sarah & Thomas Rowlands
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3YW-WHJ
trying to see if I can find a Rowlands or Cott family on 1861c
Annie Rowlands/Cott born c1859 Somerset
ok found Annie with surname Cott & Emma living Bristol Road, Tiverton, Bath, Somerset
Thomas COTT age 69 Grocer, ELIZA 42 West Ashton Wiltshire,
children
EMMA age 5 (1856) Twerton Somerset, ANN age 2 (1859) Twerton & Lucy 14 days Twerton
I could only find this marriage but the date is in 1858 Bath Register Office
COTT Thomas MITCHELL Eliza
COTT Thomas RAWLINGS Eliza
death 1865
COTT Thomas age 73 (1792) Abbey Bath
1841 c there is an
Eliza MITCHELL age 25 living Devonshire House, Lyncombe & Widcombe, Bath, Somerset noted as born in this county – shame 1841 census doesn’t give a marital status
E RAWLINGS age 20 living Elm Place, Lyncombe & Widcombe, Bath, Somerset
but looking at the original census the initial looks more like a 'C', she's not born in this county
Thomas COTT occ. Grocer age 45 living Fieldings Buildings, Twerton, Bath, Somerset he's noted as not born in this county
also at the same address are Ann & John Cott both age 20 both born in this county
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Just noticed Edwin Charles was baptised at the Abbey at the same time as Frederick William, with the same parents and DOB 27 Feb 1886. Address for both was 10 Helting Court.
Great find David your link is showing the baptism of a Elizabeth Francis Hay Harris
So I’ve added the links from FreeREG for
Edwin Charles Wheeler
http://www.rootschat.com/links/016zv/
Frederick William Wheeler
http://www.rootschat.com/links/016zw/
The FreeREG database was updated last night. I didn't think that would affect the link but it seems it has.
I also corrected the errors (Edwin was baptised on the 4th Feb, not the 9th, and the address is Helting Court, not Hetling Court) but the recompilation must have already started so those changes won't show until next month.
David
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Wonderful information! Thank you so much.
This is a recent website that resparked the Wheeler fire and the possibility of a sibling, Lily, that lived.
http://luxurylinerrow.com/titanic-mystery-eric-sauder-brian-hawley/ However, without verification of this Edwin’s whereabouts between 1901 census (at Highbury House with several other lads as boarders/errand boys) and 1909, it’s still just a guess that he is my grandfather.
I’m waiting for MC and DC of Frederick Wheeler/Rowlands and Lily Wheeler/Mitchell to see parents names and informant.
Radstockjeff, thanks for the Post Office Directory check. Interesting that the 1912 list of Titanic passengers gives 4 Melcombe Rd, Durley Pk, Bath as Edwin’s last abode.
Keyboard86, thanks for the birth and death info. This was not a very healthy family. Poor Emma. I wonder what happened to her.
David, the 1894 baptisms of Fred W and Edwin were after the death of their father. Both their births are registered with GRO, parents Fred and Emma. Someone must have thought they needed baptizing at 8 and 10 yrs of age before entering school, workhouse?
Ladyhawk, thanks for finding the connections between COTT/ROWLANDS/CANE. I’m going to wait till I receive certificates from GRO and organize this information.
My lawn needs mowing!
Barb in BC, Canada
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When you receive the info. please pop back and let us know how you got on :)
Thanks for posting the link going to have a read of it now
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Will do!
Barb
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Interesting read - their marriage Frederick and Emma 22 and 23, no profession is listed for Emma Wheeler. two witnesses Ellen Golledge and Louisa Mitchell.
Their father's names are not mentioned - Do you know the name of Emma's father?
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Oh.. I missed the footnote. Too much excitement, I think. Ellen Golledge is witness and that ties to 1911 census (Lily is niece with Golledges) And Lily may have married Arthur Mitchell.
1871 Census for John and Eliza Rowlands has dtr Emma, 16. Hopefully MC has her father's name on it.
Barb
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Frederick William's parents (unconfirmed as yet) Edwin Wheeler and Elizabeth ARCHER/ARCHEAR, born Abbey, Bath 1858. Found on UKBMD and ordered from GRO.
Barb
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Hi Folks,
A follow-up from my last message.
Emma Rowlands’ father was Thomas COTT, who died in 1865 (1861 Twerton Census) She used Rowlands on her MC.
MC confirmed Maude Lilian Wheeler married Arthur V Mitchell whose 1948 will named his sons Roy and Arthur, but not his wife. Roy de-Lorraine Mitchell (unusual name) estate agent, died in Bournemouth in 1969. I’ve found several children from Mitchell and Dora Norris (most born during the war) and have moved enquiries to Dorset, on the trail of living relatives. The blanks will get filled in later. Thanks for all your help.
Barb, from BC, Canada
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Thanks for posting the info. re: Emma Rowlands - great when there's a positive result :)
for info. just in case it helps with anything this looks to be the death of Roy De Lorriane's wife Dora nee NORRIS - this was in Bath
Dora Maretta MITCHELL born 7 Nov 1914
1995 BATH District number 3001C Register number C52C Entry number 171
Off the topic really - What are the chances of a person marrying a person with the same surname as their mother?
1914 Dora Maretta NORRIS Lyncombe/Widcombe - Second Series Bath mmn MITCHELL
I would certainly say that there's at least one son born to Roy & Dora MITCHELL in
1938 Bath mmn NORRIS
maybe a second in
1941 Yeovil mmn NORRIS
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Hello,
Dora Maretta Mitchell died 1995 in a nursing home in Larkhall Springs, Bath. Her address on DC was Frampton Cotterell, Avon. (Which is now part of Bristol)
Perhaps because it is so recent, I am not able to discover, online, whether she left a will, and if so, where to find a copy.
Any suggestions on where to look?
Thanks
Barb, in BC, Canada