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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: corinthian on Sunday 29 June 14 07:49 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I have been trying to resolve this issue for a number of years now & may have already posted a request for help on this website some time ago (sorry to repeat myself if that is the case).
One of my direct ancestors is a Joseph Pudivat (born c1703) who married Elizabeth May 24/10/1725. I have all the Puddephatt BFHS records (B,M & D) from the 17th century to the 1900s & have been unable to trace Joseph's parentage (no father is named on the marriage records).
Many varying sources have recorded his parents as being a Joseph (sometimes John) & a lady named Hannah but I have been unable to trace the original source of this information & do not want to enter it onto my tree without being sure that it is correct.
The most likely parents,that I can trace from the BFHS records, are a Henry & Elizabeth Pudivat of Ashley Green,Chesham who had several children baptised (frustratingly) just as a 'child of Henry & Elizth'. However,if this lineage is correct,Joseph did not name any of his sons Henry (quite unusual for the time & the family) but did name sons John & Joseph,which makes me think that his father may have been Joseph/John (but then again none of his daughters are named Hannah).?????
I don't want to give up on this but I just don't know how to move forward.
If there are any Puddephatt experts out there could you please help?
Regards
Coreen
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Hi
If you put "Pudivat" or "Puddiphat" into "SEARCH" from the Rootschat menu (above)
you will get the posts where the words appear.
That will get you uptodate (there aren't many posts)
Ray
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Hi Ray,
Tried that - found a few,some of which were from me! No further forward I'm afraid. Thanks for input.
Regards
Coreen
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Hi
Probably isn't any help but could your Joseph possibly be from Hertfordshire, Rickmansworth in particular as it's a short hop into Chesham, there are quite a few Puddephatt families in Ricky including some of my own ancestors.
Unfortunately I'm not at home at the moment so can't check anything for you but if you have no luck finding him I will have a look next week when home.
Maddie
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Hi Maddie,
That's always possible - although I did visit HALS a while ago & couldn't find any trace of him. Some of my Puddephatts & other families from around the same area were born in Great Berkhampstead and/or Bovingdon in Hertfordshire.
If you don't mind it would be great if you could take a look next week.
Thank you
Coreen
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No problem Coreen. Will get back to you when I'm home, can't promise anything but you never know. :)
Maddie
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Hi Corrinthian
I see what you mean about the baptism's being listed as 'a child of...'how unhelpful!
only a thought, but have you checked the Posse Commitatus for Bucks? I know it doesn't list b, m or d's and it isn't a census but it is very useful as it does list adults in an area and Ashley Green is one of those areas.
Kay
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HI again Corrinthian
Just as a thought, have you tried to look for a will of the suspected parents.?
I know that a will of one of my ancestors who also lived in Ashley Green [Hog Lane] wrote a brilliant will naming all his children - including one we didn't know about. and it was roughly the same period. should be available from National Archives [on line] for about £3.00
Kay
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Hi Kay,
I have searched for a Will via both the Buckinghamshire Wills database & HALS but with no luck. Haven't heard of the Posse Commitatus before but will give it a try.
Regards
Coreen
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Hi Coreen
Home again now & have checked my records for Puddifoot. The furthest back I have gone is to a Jonas who I believe was born 1693 in Sarratt to another Jonas "Pudevat" & Anne. So far I haven't found any Joseph's in my tree.
As you mention Grt Berkhampstead & Bovingdon have you seen the Joseph baptised 15th June 1703 in Hemel Hempstead to Jeremiah & Mary, there is also another one 12th June 1712 to a John Puddephat in Hemel. Quite a lot of Puddefoot's about including a Joseph baptised in Watford 23rd Sept 1707 to a John & Sarah.
Sorry I haven't been much help to you but I'll keep an eye out whilst trying to find my own Puddifoot's.
Maddie
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Hi Maddie,
Thanks for looking. The Joseph baptised 15/06/1703 in Hemel is a possibility although on his marriage details via the BFHS records he is recorded as being 'of this parish' (that is Chesham,Bucks). If I could only track down a Will of one of his possible fathers it might give me the answer.....but that would make it too easy i suppose!
Regards
Coreen
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Hi Coreen
I thought the Joseph in Hemel looked like a very good candidate especially as the "of this parish" on marriage records didn't necessarily mean the person was born there only that they had been a resident for a given time. Do his parents names look at all familiar. ???
Maddie
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Hi Maddie,
I don't know the name of any siblings as I am unsure of his parent's details.
I have only been able to record three children born to Joseph Pudivat & Elizabeth May & they were; an unnamed male born & died Jan 1727,John born 18/09/1729 & Elizabeth born 08/12/1733.
Joseph's wife,Elizabeth,died at the end of December 1733,presumably from the effects of recent childbirth. All three children were baptised at St Mary's,Chesham.
I have been unable to confirm,with any certainty,Joseph's DOD,which might have given his age. The only possibility is a Joseph Puddephatt who died in March 1785 (no age given) in Chesham. None of John's sons were named Jeremiah but that does not necessarily mean anything.
Thanks again for your input.
Regards
Coreen
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Hi Coreen
Just a thought but as Elizabeth died in 1733 have you found a second marriage for Joseph, it would be unusual if he didn't marry again having such young children.
I've had a quick look in Chesham & Chenies without any luck but he could have married elsewhere in Bucks. :-\
Nothing is jumping out at me from Herts either.
Maddie
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Hi Maddie,
Although I have been unable to trace a marriage there are two children born to a Joseph & Sarah Puddephat,of Ashleygreen,Chesham on 20/04/1737 (Sarah) & 20/07/1740 (Joseph) which look a good possibility. Sarah died in Jan 1771(no age given).
Regards
Coreen
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Hi Corrinthian
I checked Chesam PR's for a marriage to a Joseph [John] Puddephatt from 1734 to 1750 but didn't find anything, sorry, even checked the transcripts incase I missed it on the copies of the originals.
I would have a guess that he started another family with a 'Sarah' as yet more unnamed children buried to Joseph and Sarah Puddephatt of Ashley Green were mentioned, and Ashley Green is still a relatively small place.
It culd be that they married out of Chesham or that didn't marry or, that it was a Baptist ceremony. Chesham was well known as a strong Baptist area.
Kay
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It culd be that they married out of Chesham or that didn't marry or, that it was a Baptist ceremony. Chesham was well known as a strong Baptist area
Prior to 1837 all marriages, other than those of Quakers and Jews, were to be solemnized in the Church of England.
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Orpheus,
the baptist thought was only a suggestion.
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Hi Kay & Orpheus,
Thanks for input. I am fairly certain that it is the same Joseph that started a second family with a lady named Sarah. It's just so frustrating being unable to trace Joseph's birth details with any certainty - until I can do that am unable to go any further back with this family.
Regards
Coreen
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Below is part of my family tree which has much overlap. Much is not from primary sources so errors are possible.
Joseph Puddephatt was born 1685 in Chesham, Buckinghamshire, and died date unknown. His wife was Hannah (b. 1685) and his children were
Joseph Puddephat (Pudivat) (b. 1703, Chesham) and
Sarah Puddephatt (Pudivat) (b. 1705, Chesham).
Joseph Puddephat (b. 1703, Chesham, married 24 Oct. 1725 to Elizabeth May, d.1733) had two children, both born in Chesham. They were:
Jonathon Puddephatt (Puddefoot) (1 Sept. 1729 – 5 May 1790). Note that another source gives name as John (baptised 18 Sept 1729).
Elizabeth Puddephatt (Puddefoot) (b. 1733).
Remarried? Joseph & Sarah Puddephat of Ashley Green, Chesham had two children: 20/04/1737 (Sarah) & 20/07/1740 (Joseph). Sarah died in Jan 1771(no age given).
Jonathon Puddephatt, whose occupation was given as Yeoman (Yeoman refers chiefly to a free man owning his own farm), was married on 19 May 1755 at St. Mary’s church in Chesham to Mary Ware (b. 1735) and his children were
Elizabeth Puddephatt (Puddifoot) (1756-1825), born and died in Chesham, m. Joseph Redding, 22 July 1774. (Joseph also married Lydia Nash, b 1776, on 22 APR 1805 - St. Mary's, Chesham – children Benjamin 1808, Mathew, 1809). Elizabeth’s children were James (b. 10 June 1774), John (1776-1854, m. Margaret Whitehouse 1798), Susannah (b. 1776, m. John Charge), Maria Sylvia (1780-1866 or 1870, m. Daniel Woods in 1801), Thomas (b 1781), Lydia (b 1782), Benjamin (b 1786), Matthew (b 1788), Joseph (1784-1858, m. Elizabeth Butler 1803).
Joseph Puddephatt (29 Jan, 1758 – Jan. 1834), born in Ashley Green, died in Chesham. M. Elizabeth Burr, b. 1760 in Chesham (St. Mary) on 28 Sep. 1780. Children were Maria (b. 1780), Henry (b. 1781), Joseph (b. 1783), William (b. 1785), Susannah (b. 1786), Daniel (b. 1787), Sarah (b. 1789).
Sarah Puddephatt (1760-1784 in Chesham) m. Henry Glenister, b. 1760 in Chesham.
Maria Sylvia Puddephatt (b. 1762).
John Puddephatt (b. June 1764 in Chesham, d. 1858) m. Elizabeth Barnes (1762 – 1819).
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Hi,
I have pretty much the same details as you except I have John Redding born 1776 married to Mary Franklin 24/10/1803 in St Mary,Hawridge,Bucks. I did originally have him down as the John Redding who married Margaret Whitehouse in 1798,but after a lot of research,decided he must have married Mary Franklin for the following reasons :-
From the BFHS burial records it appears that the John who married Margaret died in Chesham,Bucks in March 1854,aged 84,making his year of birth about 1769. Elizabeth Puddephatt,his presumed mother,was born 30/01/1756. If her son John Redding was the John who married Margaret Whitehouse in 1798 Elizabeth would have been aged 13 & unmarried at the time of John's birth. Not impossible but unlikely.
A John Redding was christened 16/04/1769 in Chesham,Bucks & his parents were William & Mary Redding. I believe that that John was the one who went on to marry Margaret Whitehouse.
I also have different children for Joseph Puddephatt (born 1758) & Elizabeth Burr.
Regards
Coreen
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Hi Coreen:
I tried to reply a few minutes ago but I think the attachment was too big, so this may be a repeat.
I inherited an old family portrait some time ago and had very little knowledge about the people, so I began to explore. I traced the tree back until I got stuck, and also looked for information about the individuals. I found something on most of them, but struck a blank with Mary, except for her age on census records. Our families probably diverged long before this, but if you happen to have information I would be most interested to learn about her life.
Many thanks for the corrections.
George Puddephatt (1852 – 1906) was married to Sarah Elizabeth Hearn(e) (1858 or 1859 - 1920) in Amersham in 1882. They lived in Potters Row, Great Missenden initially but were living in Wendover at Wendover Dean farm (below, modern version) at the 1901 census. He was a farmer.
His children were
George Puddephatt (b. 1884)
Mary Puddephatt (b. 1887)
William Puddephatt (b. 1887, Amersham)
Ellen Puddephatt (b. 1889, Amersham, d. 1958, Aylesbury)
Amy Mabel Puddephatt (b. 1891, Amersham)
Harry Puddephatt (16.10.1894-1956)
Fred Puddephatt (1897-1977), m. Eva Victoria Bates (1900-1991) in 1927
Annie Puddephatt (1903-1974), m. Merlin Harker (1907-1988) in 1930
David Puddephatt (b. 1904)
The Puddephatt family portrait, ca. 1906?.
Back row: Mary, Harry, George, Amy, William.
Middle row: Sarah, Fred, George sr., Ellen
Front row: Annie, David
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Hi,
Love the picture! I have George & Sarah Hearne in my family tree but have George dying 28/02/1928 at Nash Lee Farm in Ellesborough. I got these details from the census & National Probate Calendar records via the Ancestry website. Sarah,I believe,died Q2 1920.
Do you have access to GenesReunited - I have quite a lot of info on the Puddephatt family on there? If not maybe you could send a PM to me & we can exchange email addresses?
Regards
Coreen
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Hi Coreen:
I am new to this and don't see an option to send a PM (personal message?). Also not familiar with Genes Reunited, but I will look into that too. I don't recall where I got the 1906 date of George's death but it did look suspicious since he appeared healthy in the ca. 1906 photo. I'm sure your information is good and will make the correction to my file.
Dick
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Hi
Haven't got much to contribute, but I just wanted to thank rjp1 for submitting the photo of George & Sarah Puddephatt and family. Sarah (nee Hearn) was a cousin of my Grandfather, so it's great to see another little branch of the family visually uncovered. Your suggested date of 1906 looks about right to me. I also have the 2 youngest children born in 1903 and 1904, and they certainly look around 2 and 3 years old in the photo.
I have quite a lot of info on the Hearn family if there is anything you need.
thanks again
Rich
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I came across this post whilst I was googling for my 6 x great grandmother's brother Yeoman John Puddephat of Hemel Hempstead.
He left his estate to his sister (my 6 x great grandmother Christiana Elkins/Steward born Puddephat.
Whether the Hemel Hempstead Puddephat's had offspring that moved to Chesham I don't know but it sounds plausible.
Lot's of info to be found if you google Christiana Puddephat. Someone has done quite a lot of research into the estate that the Puddephat's owned.
Best wishes
Stephen
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Hi
I have Ernest Puddephatt married to Ada Hill in Amersham Buckinghamshire England
Ada lived in Chesham bucks in 1914
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I checked the posse comitatis for Ashley Green. There is one Puddephatt, John. He had 4 horses, 1 wagon and 1 cart. I would think that means he was almost certainly a farmer. There was William Puddifoot at Ashridge ( another village in the parish of Great Chesham) 2 horses and 2 carts. Joseph Puddephat in Bellingdon, 1horse, 1 cart. Bellingdon is quite close to Ashridge. The spelling difference for the name is probably a matter of a different enumerator.