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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: romawi on Saturday 05 July 14 05:10 BST (UK)
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I have found that my ggrandparents Richard and Alice Rothwell from Heap, Heywood, Lancs (1861)and Birkenhead, Cheshire (1871), had 11 children in total. Only 6 of which survived. Not unusual, but still a lot. None of the missing 5 can be traced through census, so died very young between census's.
I have definitely found 9 children now: But am missing the last two:
One child Albert (definitely related) died aged 0 in 1866 and on the cheshire BMD there are two more Rothwell children listed as dying that year in Birkenhead very young. The question I have is is there anyway I can find out details of either births or deaths to confirm or reject without requesting certs? What other resources are available for either Birkenhead specifically Holy Trinity?
Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1866
ROTHWELL
Albert
0
Birkenhead
Wirral
BIR/38/63
ROTHWELL
Hannah
4
Birkenhead
Wirral
BIR/39/48
ROTHWELL
Richard
2
Birkenhead
Wirral
BIR/39/44
Hoping someone out there maybe able to help
Many thanks
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all christened at Holy Trinity,Birkenhead - parents Richard and Alice Rothwell
28th jan 1866 Albert Rothwell
28th jan 1866 Margaret Rothwell
23rd jan 1870 Eliza Alice Rothwell
19th may 1872 Isaac Rothwell
30th dec 1877 Annie Rothwell
30th dec 1877 Sarah Rothwell
30th dec 1877 Eunice Rothwell
www.familysearch.org
are there any of these you did not have ??.....if you have all these children - can you post the names of the definites you have - and those you think might be ?....this will save a little time in researching the 11 children ...
do you know whether Albert was the 1st one born in Birkenhead ?
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Edenfield to Heywood is 7 miles
is this a possible ??...was Richard a weaver by occupation ??
Baptism: 3 Apr 1864 Chapel, Edenfield, Lancashire, England
Ellis Rothwell - Son of Richard Rothwell & Alice
Abode: Plunge
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Charles F. Hildyard
I have looked up the village of Plunge - and it just comes up with details of Edenfield ...so no help there
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Hi, thank you i have all these plus - Joseph Rothwell (1867), Emma (1878), I am not sure if Albert was first. Richard and Alice were married in 1860, so I thought that maybe there must have been one or two before Albert in the 5 years after they married. That's why I was looking from 1860 to 1865. The only other two I could see were Hannah 1862-1866 and Richard 1864-1866 but need to tie them to the parents somehow.
As for Ellis - I thought maybe this might work but found him again in the 1871 census alive and well with another family of Rothwell's and father wasn't a weaver but a boilermaker, always.
Cheers
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What was Alice's maiden name please?
Heather
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There is a James Rothwell christened 26th Nov 1860 at Heywood parents are Richard and Alice
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freebmd
mar qtr 1860 - Richard Rothwell to Alice Booth ....were you thinking maybe a baby born before the marriage ??...ie ****** Booth ??
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There are a couple of Rothwell/Booth births but they are in Bolton :-\
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There are a couple of Rothwell/Booth births but they are in Bolton :-\
Could you put them up please Heather for us to have a look at ...
AA Routeplanner... Heywood to Bolton is 9 miles ...so they could well be the missing Rothwell children ??
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1865 John Rothwell registered Halliwell mmn Booth
1867 Hannah Rothwell registered Halliwell mmn Booth
1868 Martha Rothwell registered Halliwell mmn Booth
I will look and see if they are together in 1871
Heather
added: I think they are the children of James and Mary who are in Halliwell in 1871
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There is a James Rothwell christened 26th Nov 1860 at Heywood parents are Richard and Alice
ooo!! that sounds like it might fit.
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Thank you all so much for your continued help with this. I live in New Zealand so have been off line for the night but back now :)
Yes the marriage for Richard and Alice is correct - her maiden name Booth. She grew up in Heywood and they both continued living there for a number of years until the move to Paisley in Scotland around 1881. I didn't think that they had a child out of wedlock so much as had one whilst married between 1860 and Alberts birth and then sudden death in 1865/6. That just seemed unusual.
James looks like a real possibility, on Ancestry I can see he was born Oct qtr so would have missed the 1861 census in April. Just need a death for him now before 1871 as he's not on there at all.
Will keep looking. John/Hannah/Martha births look like they belong together - will look and see if I can find more info.
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a bit confused
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There is a James Rothwell christened 26th Nov 1860 at Heywood parents are Richard and Alice
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James looks like a real possibility, on Ancestry I can see he was born Oct qtr so would have missed the 1861 census in April.
But he WOULD be in the 1861 census....he would be aged 6 months old ...if he was christened 26th nov 1860
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Have you looked on this site
www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
There is a death for James Rothwell in Heywood 1861 aged 0
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one in mar qtr 1861
one in sep qtr 1861 ...who would have been on the census
so it has to be
Mar qtr 1861 Rothwell James Bury 8c 290
Heywood is under Bury Register
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heatherjulie - you are of course correct!! Obviously I hadn't woken up properly yet. I think this one has strong possibilities and as you say if he died first Q 1861 he would have missed the census.
Cheers and apologies for the confusion :) Off to get a strong coffee now!!
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Still.....baby born same year as marriage....they must have been keen - or maybe baby had already been made!!!