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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: cennydd on Sunday 06 July 14 15:06 BST (UK)

Title: Penmachno Robert Ellis
Post by: cennydd on Sunday 06 July 14 15:06 BST (UK)
Looking for any information on Robert Ellis and his wife Elizabeth nee Owen. Robert was a schoolmaster living at Bryngogan penmachno  ( site of a shop c1900 owned by a Robert Thomas). They had at least two sons Lewis T Roberts born c1820 died Racine 1903 and William Roberts who died Taifrest Ffestiniog 1890 aged 89. any information on their BMD and any other children much appreciated
Title: Re: Penmachno Robert Ellis
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 July 14 17:54 BST (UK)
Hi

Your post asks for details of Robert Ellis but you say his sons were surname Roberts

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Looking for any information on Robert Ellis and his wife Elizabeth nee Owen

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They had at least two sons Lewis T Roberts born c1820 died Racine 1903 and William Roberts who died Taifrest Ffestiniog 1890 aged 89
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You haven't given any details of Robert's birthyear
Title: Re: Penmachno Robert Ellis
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 06 July 14 18:01 BST (UK)
Possible children on familysearch

http://www.rootschat.com/links/017ve/
Title: Re: Penmachno Robert Ellis
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 July 14 18:04 BST (UK)
Hi Rosie

The 1851 has another Robert & Elizabeth Ellis living in Penmachno
Title: Re: Penmachno Robert Ellis
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 06 July 14 18:10 BST (UK)
Thank you Carole,  :)

Some of the baptisms show Elizabeth Owens as mother, let us hope they both did not marry an Elizabeth Owens  ;D

Title: Re: Penmachno Robert Ellis
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 July 14 18:13 BST (UK)
Hi

The 1851 has that Robert Ellis as an agric labourer.  I amended my original reply above as I noticed the 2 sons mentions were surname Roberts
Title: Re: Penmachno Robert Ellis
Post by: cennydd on Sunday 06 July 14 18:16 BST (UK)
Lewis T Roberts obituary in Herad Cymraeg  24 Nov 1903 says his fathers name was Robert Ellis  and schoolmaster and Elizabeth Owen. Patronymic?
Title: Re: Penmachno Robert Ellis
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 July 14 18:36 BST (UK)
Where did you get Roberts birthplace as Penmacno from as I can't see a matching 1851 entry
Title: Re: Penmachno Robert Ellis
Post by: cennydd on Sunday 06 July 14 18:52 BST (UK)
Drych 1 Feb 1900 page 6 says on 80 birthday says Lewis T Roberts born Bryngogan, Penmachno.went to work in a quarry 11 age bit of a surprise if father schoolmaster and was in US by 1845.
Drych 29 May 1890 page 4 reports death of William Roberts Taifrest 9 April aged 89, brother Of Lewis T Roberts, an official of Rhiwbryfdir quarry.
Wondered if anyone could solve the mystery of his parents and if he had anymore siblings
Title: Re: Penmachno Robert Ellis
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 06 July 14 21:28 BST (UK)
Sorry.. but where is the documentation that says Robert Ellis was born in Penmancho?

Whilst his sons may have been born there -there does not appear to be any actual proof that Robert was.

Unfortunately, it's not an uncommon name in both England & Wales and at the moment there is no birthyear for him or any census entry so we have no way of finding his ancestry
Title: Re: Penmachno Robert Ellis
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 07 July 14 07:58 BST (UK)
Possible children on familysearch
http://www.rootschat.com/links/017ve/

Working from this information where the mother is shown as Elizabeth Owen(s) possible children are
Caleb 1815  - Joshua 1818  - Lewis 1820 -  John 1821 & 1822 -  Ann 1824

The 1841 census has this entry all born in County
H0107 1395/5 f10 p12 - Penmachno

Elisabeth Ellis 50 Farmer
Owen Ellis   28
Caleb Ellis   25
Joshua Ellis 20
Lewis Ellis   18
John Ellis 16
Anne Ellis 14
Title: Re: Penmachno Robert Ellis
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 07 July 14 08:37 BST (UK)
Baptism record for Lewis is apparently available to view on 'The Genealogist' web site according to this link
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQB3-4Z2