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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: louisa maud on Monday 07 July 14 10:56 BST (UK)
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Elizabeth Caroline Edermaniger born Walthamstow England 1899
married
Jesse Stilwell 15/10/1919 Toronto
looking for death of both Elizabeth and Jesse
Eleanor Edermaniger born Hackney London
married
Arthur Wilmer Stilwell 27/10/1921 Toronto
Looking for death of Arthur Wilmer Stilwell,
Eleanor died Sidney B C 20/10/1970
Caroline Isabelle Edermaniger born 1903 Walthamstow England
married
George Bain Hagan 29/09/1921 Toronto
Looking for death of both Caroline and George
Winifred Gertrude Edermaniger born 19/09/1907 Toronto
married
Frederick Stephen Tanton, date unknown so far
Looking for death of Frederick
Winifred died 07/01/1980 Saaichton BC
Any help will be much appreciated
Thank you in anticipation
Louisa Maud (ENGLAND)
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Hi
Frederick's death
TANTON, Frederick Stephen, 24 Jan 1997 age 91, Sidney BC
Possible birth Q2 1905 Thanet, Kent
Kevin
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Hi Kevin
That looks about right to me, his parents, I think, came from the Thanet area as did the grandparents of his wife, family trees online don't show his wife at all, not really concerned about that as I do my own family listings here
Thank you for your help
Happy hunting
LM
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Arthur Wilmer Stilwell - died 20/5/1977 aged 78 years - Vernon BC.
Pendicton Crematorium BC
Death Cert :- http://www.rootschat.com/links/017xw/
Also available at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLBY-NQ3
Eleanor Death Cert :
http://www.rootschat.com/links/017xx/
Also available at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLYV-NZ9
Frederick Stephen Tanton is listed on the Daily Times Obituary Index
Frederick Stephen "Fred" Tanton - 91 years - Sidney BC - Victoria T-C; 1997-1-24; ecross
http://www.rootschat.com/links/017y5/
Try Vancouver Public library for Obituaries - believe they are very goog at replying quickly.
http://www.vpl.ca/
Sandra
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Jesse Stilwell appears on Canada Voters List 1965 - York, Scarborough, Ontario.
Occupation :- Commissionaire. No Elizabeth or Mrs Stilwell mentioned.
Sandra
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Gosh, what a find, Many thanks
Louisa Maud
PS, Her parents did use the surname of Maniger
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Deaths from BC archives
Arthur Wilmer Stilwell 20 May 1977 Vernon BC
Eleanor Stilwell 20 Oct 1970 North Saanich BC
Frederick Stanton 14 Jan 1952 Vancouver BC
Winnifred Gertrude Stanton 7 Jan 1980 Central Saanich BC
There is a George Hagan found there but age out by 2 years and no Caroline.
Marshall
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Just in case you didn't have it
Death Cert for Winifred Tanton
http://www.rootschat.com/links/017xy/
Also available at family search - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FL19-XLM
Sandra
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Gosh, what a wealth of information, I am busy filling in gaps
A Huge Thank You
LM
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Hi,
George Hagan and Caroline appear on Canada Voters List 1949, York East, 25 Astor Avenue
Hagan, George, salesman
Hagan, Mrs. Caroline I.
Hagan, Miss Caroline M., secretary
Cheers,
DB
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Hi,
Jesse Stilwell b. Watford, Ontario, father Thomas (matches with marriage info. to Elizabeth)
there are attestation papers, from Library and Archive Canada.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=253628
Library and Archives Canada is in the process of digitizing WW1 files and expect to complete
the project in 2015. When completed all files will be free :) to view.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/canadian-expeditionary-force.aspx
Cheers,
DB
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At the moment I can't read these attestation papers, but I will as soon as I can
I am so pleased to have the information provided by fellow Rootschatters
Huge thank you
regards
Louisa Maud
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Rootsweb - Old message board - 17 Sept 2012 - says George and Carrie had a son and a daughter.
Gives married name of daughter.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/HAGAN/2012-09/1347916222
Sandra
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Thank you all for the information I am steadily going through, it has been a good help
Regards
Louisa Maud
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Father of the above females, Henry Thomas Edermaniger (Maniger)
I can't find a birth for Henry Thomas Edermaniger, on his marriage in 1898 he states he is 26, d of b circa 1872, if I am correct his parents married in 1874 in Bethnal Green, so he is possibly under his mother's maiden name of Burford, and he was born in Lambeth, in the daughters death cert sent he is shown as being born in Germany, his father, according to his marriage cert was John Edermaniger a tin plate worker, journeyman, Henry Thomas death information is as follows
death 12/09/1910 Toronto
date of birth 03/10/1874
Father John Maniger, so he had reverted to being called by the surname of MANIGER
Mother Elizabeth Burford
Birth for a Henry Thomas Burford Dec qtr 1871 Lambeth,
He is on 1901 in Stoneham in the rifle brigade as Henry T Maniger, aged 29 born Lambeth, so I wonder where the Germany place of birth came from
I had a lot of help years and years ago from a KarenM on Rootschat for Henry and his wife, because I lost a lot of info as my computer died on me I cannot revert back to her help messages
Every bit of information helps
Thank You
Louisa Maud
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This was one of the previous threads, if it helps you
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=136445.0
Or this one
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=136181.0
Sandra ;D
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Hi Sandra
Well as you see KarenM and I did lots or research years ago, she filled in lots of gaps as you and other RC's have done on this post
I am currently looking for where Henry Thomas Edermaniger got to, born Burford/Barford, I have found 4 half brothers and 3 of their marriages but Henry is nowhere to be seen, also his father seems to have done the disappearing act when it comes to the census, one son 1880 was baptised , so near to the census but not on 1881
Makes you wonder why they emigrated, seems once Henry and his wife emigrated her sisters soon followed to make a better life, sadly Henry die din 1910
Back to my census search for awhile, beats housework ??????????
Louisa Maud
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Henry's military records at Find My Past give his father as next-of-kin with an address of 12 Willmott Buildings, Long Lane, Borough of London. Henry enlisted in Nov 1889.
The 1901 England census has John Edermaniger with wife Elizabeth listed in Lambeth (Piece: 409; Folio: 43; Page: 22). John was 51, a tin plate worker and born in Lambeth while Elizabeth was 50 and also born in Lambeth. John is listed as an inmate in the Lambeth Workhouse on the 1911 England census. He was a widower.
John's death is listed in the FreeBMD as being registered in Sep 1919 in Lambeth (volume 1d, page 226).
There is a John Manager on the 1891 England census in Lambeth (Piece: 396; Folio: 153; Page: 7) who was 40, a tin plate maker and born in Lambeth. He is with wife, Elizabeth and sons, John, Charles and Lawrence.
Jacquie
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Hi Jacquie in Canada
I haven't been able as yet to find his records on FindMyPast, but as soon as I have written to you I will have a look.
If he gave the address as Wilmot Buildings in 1889 his father was at Wickham St Lambeth 1891, that accounts to why he wasn't with the family in 1891
Now FindMyPast have changed their format I don't think I can check an address as we used to
I found the 1891 census this afternoon, the 1901 and 1911 earlier
I don't understand why I cannot find any of them on 1881 after sitting here for hours trying every which way I can, even by listing the children without a surname
I also cannot fathom out why I cannot find Henry, he was, I think registered under his mothers maiden name but seems to have taken on his mother's husbands name, Edermaniger, that was until 1901 when he is in a hospital under the name of Maniger, in Canada they adopted that name
Huge thank you Jacquie, I am filling in gaps that have been un-left for years
regards
Louisa Maud
Essex England
PS I have just searched through my 1891 census discs for the Wilmot Buildings, a family by the name of Murphy lived there in 1891, foiled again ?
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I had a look at Henry's attestation papers, I also checked address at Wilmot Buildings,
I do wonder if Henry Thomas Edermaniger/Maniger/ Burford was actually brought up by someone else, I cannot find this family of Edermanigers/Maniger on 1881, he should have been on that census
So I think I am going to call it a day for the time being, I have had lots of help and I seem to have got onto the Henry Thomas trail which isn't leading me very far as to where he was prior to 1889, although I must admit my initial query was with his daughters deaths in Canada
I must thank you very much for your help, much appreciated
Regards
Louisa Maud
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If Henry's father was not John, then I can't really see him listing John as his father and next-of-kin on his Attestation Papers if he had been raised by someone else. And he did list his father's address as the Willmotts Building.
Another possibility is the family wasn't home when the enumerator called or that they were just missed on the 1881 census.
Jacquie
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Hi Louisa Maud. Fascinating family!
This looks like it might be Henry and his family in the 1881 Census .....
London, Newington, St Mary Newington, District 6, Pages 35 and 36, Family 232.
12 Horse and Groom Ct (same address as in Albert's baptism record from 1880)
John Maneger (?; hard to read) 32 Tinplate Worker b. Borough
Elizabeth Wife 30 b. London
? (can't decipher - possibly Anna) Daur 12 b. London
Harry Son 9 b. London
Jack Son 7 b. London (John?)
Charley Son 5 b. London
Albert Son 3 b. London
Laurence 8mo b. London
I don't know how the family is indexed and had no better luck than Louisa Maud using various name combinations when searching. I went looking through the district descriptions for the street they were living in when Albert was baptized, went page by page through said district, and there they were. I wonder if the pages might have been missed in the indexing process.
LM, are you aware that Henry's brother John was also in the Rifle Brigade, having enlisted in 1893? NOK Father John Maniger of 1 Wickham St Lambeth; Elder brother Henry Thomas Maniger c/o Rifle Brigade. His record is also on Find My Past.
PB
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PB
Oh what a find, thank you very much
So I am right, Henry was born before marriage to Elizabeth in 1874 Bethnal Green and I do believe he was registered as a Burford/Barford.
Lawrence, shown as Laurence, felt sure he would have popped up as he was only months old by 1881, also Harry, not Henry, Jack not John, oh how they deceived me !!
I will try to do an alteration when I check later
I am so happy that this family have been found, specially Henry Thomas, he is the line I was hunting, sadly this man died in 1910, very sad.
Yes, PB, they are a fascinating family, we almost got to Toronto in 1969 to see one of these "girls", was booked and all sorted but sadly we didn't get their due sickness,
Thank you hugely to all who have helped
I am a happy Louisa Maud
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This looks like it might be Henry and his family in the 1881 Census .....
London, Newington, St Mary Newington, District 6, Page 35, Family 232.
12 Horse and Groom Ct (same address as in Albert's baptism record from 1880)
John Maneger (?; hard to read) 32 Tinplate Worker b. Borough
Elizabeth Wife 30 b. London
? (can't decipher - possibly Anna) Daur 12 b. London
Harry Son 9 b. London
Jack Son 7 b. London (John?)
Charley Son 5 b. London
Albert Son 3 b. London
Laurence 8mo b. London
The child born circa 1869 is
Sarah Ann
on 1871
Elizabeth aged 20 u/m, daughter of head
Sarah Ann daughter aged 2
I wasn't sure if this was Elizabeth's daughter initially but it seems she is
All living with Elizabeth's parents and siblings
If only they would stick to their correct names and surnames which has been a real struggle to find
Louisa Maud
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You are most welcome. I am very pleased to have been able to find them for you.
PB
Edited to add: it looks like the family is indexed as Manyer and on second look Laurence should be Lawrence. He is indexed that way.
PB
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I have now shown a correction on 1881, Manger to Maniger, will take weeks to come through
I am just so pleased to have found them at last, puts it all in place now
Thank you all so much
Louisa Maud
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Hello! I am researching a photograph I've found, one that depicts Jesse Stilwell (seated), and my inquiries brought me here. I figured I would share this with you. :) I am also looking for death / burial information and have had no luck so far. If I find anything else, I will let you know!
Alison
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Oh gosh, what a find, I hope a relative in Canada can take ownership of this lovely photograph, is it worth also putting it on the Canadian site with a connection to this one?
Huge thank you for taking to trouble to connect
Welcome to Rootschat
Louisa Maud
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In case you folks don't have it....
This link is to Jesse's complete military record, free to view. Click on PDF to open it. It will very, very slow to load.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=253628
Lovely picture!
PB
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Thank you Polarbear, what a lovely name.
Where did you find the photograph Mitch?
Louisa Maud
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Hi all! :)
I found the photo at a local antique mall. I buy any identified ones that I see and try to reconnect them to their families, so I'm afraid I can't remember at which particular place I purchased it. I can say with confidence, though, that it was somewhere in Southwestern Ontario. It may have even been purchased close to Watford, Ontario (where Jesse Stilwell was born.)
From my research, I know the standing gentleman, Charles Simmonds, developed Tuberculosis and didn't make it to Europe after enlistment. He died in January 1918.
Thanks for linking to the service record, polarbear - I have been through that already, and the one for Simmonds also. Based on those records, the photo would likely have been taken in the late winter or early spring of 1916.
At some point I will post this in other forums, hoping that a living descendant will come across it and contact me. I like to go as far with the research as I can before doing that, though, so I have a bit more to do on these two gentlemen. It's not often that I find military photos (and the ones I do find are out of my price range) but this one is charming and I'm glad to have acquired it.
Alison
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Welcome from me too :)
In case you haven't tried it, there are very few listings in the Toronto white pages....
http://www.canada411.ca
PB
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Jessie Stillwell was born Watford Ontario 1894, he occupation was Bridge Builder
he married 15/10/1919 in Toronto
to
Elizabeth Caroline Edermaniger, often shown as Maniger
Elizabeth Caroline was born 05/06/1899 in England
Hopefully someone might connect with this family, I have no idea if there were any children from this marriage
My husband was related distantly to Elizabeth Caroline Edermaniger
Unfortunately I have no further details
Given time I am sure someone will come forward but it does make me wonder why this lovely photograph was for sale
Louisa Maud