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Title: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 07 July 14 13:55 BST (UK)
I have a lovely school group Cdv taken in 1877 that I would love to share if anyone has connection to A Hickson Second Master or W.T. Phillips Head Master.
Carol
Title: Re: Looking for Family of School Masters Hickson & Phillips 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 07 July 14 13:56 BST (UK)
Here is the reverse.
Carol
Title: Re: Looking for Family of School Masters Hickson & Phillips 1877
Post by: wrjones on Monday 07 July 14 15:17 BST (UK)
Are you sure it was taken in Denbighshire?I'm not finding an A Hickson on any Census for Denbighshire>

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Looking for Family of School Masters Hickson & Phillips 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 07 July 14 15:49 BST (UK)
http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3308507/ART46/bala%20grammar%20school

W T Phillips was head master at Bala Grammar School in August 1877
Title: Re: Looking for Family of School Masters Hickson & Phillips 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 07 July 14 15:53 BST (UK)
Hi William...Thanks for your response....No I'm not sure...put it here as the photo was taken at Cambrian Gallery & Llangollen.
Carol
Title: Re: Looking for Family of School Masters Hickson & Phillips 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 07 July 14 15:56 BST (UK)
http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3308507/ART46/bala%20grammar%20school

W T Phillips was head master at Bala Grammar School in August 1877


Wow...That's an excellent find...knowing the name of the school really helps...thanks so much.

Carol
Title: Re: Looking for Family of School Masters Hickson & Phillips 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 07 July 14 16:48 BST (UK)
Looks like this could be the School:

http://www.walesdirectory.co.uk/tourist-attractions/Historic_Houses/Wales11304.htm

Carol
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 07 July 14 18:00 BST (UK)
http://goo.gl/maps/xeR38

I passed it this morning  after a weekend away.  :)
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 07 July 14 18:16 BST (UK)
Oh cool....it's so quaint isn't it and I'm really pleased it has survived....thanks for that.
Carol
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Tuesday 08 July 14 09:25 BST (UK)
I think it may be Hicksen , but there are very few around  ???
The e in the name and in master looks to be written in the same way.

A mystery man.
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 08 July 14 09:36 BST (UK)
Hi...Yes I did wonder and have tried both combinations without success..the se in the word second is formed the same way as the se in Hicksen.....shame there is no Christian name  :-\
Thanks for trying...maybe some researcher may google the surnames may be brought here.
Carol
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Tuesday 08 July 14 11:56 BST (UK)
I think I`ve traced William Thomas Phillips.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/429908

In 1911 W T Phillips and his wife Agnes Annie are living at the National Schoolhouse , Leeswood, Mold. 
 He is the  schoolmaster employed by the  County Council 
 William Thomas Phillips  52  b Newtown Montgomeryshire
 Agnes Annie Phillips  51 b Abermule
 Agnes Daisy Phillips  25  assistant schoolteacher b Machynlleth
 Gladys Aline Phillips  24 assistant schoolteacher b Leeswood
 Norah Mary Phillips  18 confectioners assistant b Leeswood
 Hilda Maude Phillips  13 school b Leeswood
Nesta  Martha Phillips  11 school b Leeswood

1901 National Schoolhouse. Leeswood.
William T Phillips  42
 Agnes A Phillips  41
 A Daisie Phillips  15
 G Aline Phillips  14
 W Ernest Phillips  13
 Fred P Phillips  11
 Nora M Phillips  8
 Hilda M Phillips  3
 Nesta M Phillips  1

1891 National Schoolhouse Leeswood.
 As above but youngest child is Fred.

He married in 1884

Montgomeryshire Express and Radnor Times 31 August 1909   
 SILVER WEDDING
PHILLIPS-POWELL.-On Saturday, August 30th, 1884, at the Parish Church, Llanllwchaiarn, Newtown, by the Rev George Cuthbert, B.A. Vicar (who died suddenly the same day), Mr W. T. Phillips, head master of the Leeswood National Schools, Mold, to Agnes Annie,. youngest daughter of the late Mr John Powell, of Plasfelan, Llanllwchaiarn, Montgomeryshire.

1881 Newtown.
Mary Jones  head. 76 laundress
William T Phillips unm lodger 23 schoolmaster b Newtown


Births Sep 1858
Phillips  William T     Newtown  11b 202   
Phillips  William Thomas     Newtown  11b 302   

No info found on William Thomas, there is a possible one with a widowed mother named Martha, in Newtown, but can`t be sure.
I suppose the marriage will gave fathers name. 


Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 08 July 14 12:18 BST (UK)
Wow...You have been busy..what a lot you have uncovered with no Christian name too :o ....thank you so much :-* I really appreciate that...I have something to go at now and maybe find some relatives to pass it onto 8)
Carol
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Tuesday 08 July 14 13:20 BST (UK)
Probate
Agnes Annie Phillips of Eaton House, Leeswood widow died 20 April 1941.
Probate to William Ernest Phillips retired schoolmaster.


I`m sure I`ve come across this family before  ???
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Tuesday 08 July 14 13:23 BST (UK)
http://cymru1914.org/en/view/newspaper/3799082/6

Marriage of William Ernest Phillips  :)
Wedding at Flint
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Tuesday 08 July 14 13:28 BST (UK)
http://www.flintshirewarmemorials.com/memorials/leeswood-memorial/leeswood-soldiers/thomas-evans/

His Flintshire Roll of Honour card in the Archives Office in Hawarden gives his regimental details and his address as Eaton Cottages in Leeswood. It says he served 1 year and 7 months and that he was wounded in action in France and died of the wounds he received. The card was signed by Gladys A Phillips on 16th Sept 1919.
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 08 July 14 13:40 BST (UK)
Wonderful....and what a lot of interesting info you have found for him...I have contacted a tree owner to let him know about the photo and to offer a high res copy.
Thanks again  ;)
Carol
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Tuesday 08 July 14 14:18 BST (UK)
do you think the Grammar School restaurant in Bala would be interested as well , a talking point to hang on the wall  :)
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 08 July 14 15:04 BST (UK)
Yes I do...it would make a great canvas print wouldn't...certainly worth a thought...someone may also recognise an ancestor!!!!
Carol
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 29 August 14 22:36 BST (UK)
just wondering what the outcome of this was ?
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 30 August 14 08:50 BST (UK)
Hi...I sent a high resolution copy of the photo to the tree owner with a link to this thread...I never got a reply  >:( I'm glad I didn't post the original.
Carol
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 30 August 14 09:18 BST (UK)
I passed the school / restaurant  again in Bala last week and just  thought about it again.

As for the tree owner, I would be tempted to ask they if they had received it.  ;)
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 30 August 14 09:44 BST (UK)
Yes I did send a message asking if they received the email...I also checked the following day to see if they had been on Ancestry and they had...so I sent another message saying that I was disappointed in the lack of response to the photo I sent them...I haven't heard from them neither by email or Ancestry message.
Carol
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Wulfsohn on Thursday 26 March 15 18:39 GMT (UK)
Hi

I hope I am not too late to this chat. But I have something of interest to add. My great uncle, who lived most his life in Cape Town, South Africa, was a collector of art and also antique books. In his collection, I found a book of French poetry awarded to one William Given Jones of Balla Grammar School, on prize day in July 1878, and awarded by no other than our esteemed William T. Phillips. Look at the inscription on the inner front cover, and you will note that the handwriting is identicle to that on the back of the photograph that began is search. How this book ended up in South Africa is another mystery that one more industrious than me could research. Possibly William Jones immigrated to the country later in his life. See attached pictures of the book and the inscribed inner cover. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 26 March 15 19:11 GMT (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat...good to hear from you and your interesting input....your pictures didn't attach....if you try again you will need to rename the file.
Carol
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 26 March 15 19:58 GMT (UK)
How interesting
Could this be  William Given Jones, but I can find no - one with that middle name.

http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3308974/ART37/%20bala%20grammar%20school


 I wonder if this is W G Jones, sadly no Christian names are given, only details of fathers.
EXTRA PRIZES.—French ;
 Jones, sextus (son of Mr. W. Jones, North and S. Wales Bank, Portmadoc), "Enfnces Celebres."
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Wulfsohn on Thursday 26 March 15 20:18 GMT (UK)
Had trouble posting the pictures using ipad. Trying again with PC.
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 26 March 15 20:49 GMT (UK)
 Could his name be  William Owen Jones 

 Is there a title for the book ?
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 26 March 15 20:55 GMT (UK)
 I wonder if this is him, it`s the same name for the father, who is a bank manager in Portmadoc.
1871 116 High St, Porthmadoc
Williams Jones  29 bank accountant b Bethesda.
 Kate Jones wife 26 b Wrexham
 William Owen Jones  6 b Wrexham
 Elizabeth Jones  4 b Wrexham
 Joseph Henry Jones  2 b Portmadoc
 Ann Roberts  26 servant
 Jane Evans  59  servant
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 26 March 15 21:00 GMT (UK)
In 1891 William and Kate  :D are still in Portmadog.
He is a bank manager at the North and South Wales bank.

 This must be our family of Jones .
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Wulfsohn on Thursday 26 March 15 21:32 GMT (UK)
I believe you are all correct. I misread the handwriting and William Owen Jones makes more sense. Let me get back to you on the title of the book. I just arrived in New York, and the book is at my family's home in Cape Town. I will ask my sister, who is there, to check the book title.
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 27 March 15 09:17 GMT (UK)
Here`s how the book ended up in South Africa.

North Wales Express 11 March 1910
 Portmadoc Wedding in South Africa. JONES—TAIT.
The marriage of Mr William Owen Jones, of Portmadoc, North Wales (manager of the Bank of Africa, Cape Town), to Mrs Emmie Tait (widow of Mr lYl. L. Tait, and daughter of the late Mr Godfrey Sichel ), was. solemnised on February l5 th. The ceremony took place at .St. Saviour's Church, Claremont, and was attended by many prominent city and suburban residents.

http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3572946/ART60/william%20owen%20jones

WO must have been about 45 by this time, maybe he was a widower.
This is  turning  into a great story.  :)
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Wulfsohn on Friday 27 March 15 11:57 GMT (UK)
Wow. Great research team. The name of the book (one of you asked) is "Enfants Celebs" by Louis Colet. Published by Paris Libraries, on 79 Boulevard Saint Germany in 1876.
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 30 March 15 09:55 BST (UK)
 That confirms we have the right man, it`s  the same  book prize mentioned in the newspapers
Here is where he is buried.         
                                   
 St. John's Cemetery, Wynberg, Cape Town.                             
  William  Owen Jones. Born 21-06-1864 in Wrexham, Wales.         
  Died 27-05-1921 in Wynberg.     

    : Wulfsohn. have sent you a  message.                         

Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Alisdiar on Monday 30 March 15 23:43 BST (UK)
William Owen Jones is an interesting person in my family. My father "Owen Tait" is named after him.

Emma Marion Stuart Sichel married my great grandfather Murdoch Morison Tait. Murdoch, a lawyer in Cape Town committed suicide because of gambling debts. Leaving Emma penniless. Owen Jones was a banker in South Africa, and "she married the bank manager."

They had a daughter called Olwen Stuart Owen-Jones, Born in Holyhead, Anglesey. 5 January 1911. She married Alfred Randel Falck. I believe they had two children Elizabeth, and Owen Falck.

Elizabeth had two Children: Jenny and Garry Wade. Owen married Hazel Logie, and had three boys. Gregory, Richard, and Roger. These children were born in the 1970s so I assume will still be alive.
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Tuesday 31 March 15 08:17 BST (UK)

William Owen Jones  was baptised  at St Giles Wrexham on  13 July 1864 son of William and Kate,  of Egerton Street , Wrexham.  His father `s  occupation was an  accountant.

There is a marriage in Chester 1862 that seems to fit but I don`t have full details of fathers occupations.
William Jones  17 Dec 1862  St John, Chester, Age appx  21  Single  Father's Name: Owen Jones 
Kate Jones   age 21 Single  Spouse's Father's Name: Joseph Jones 

Kate is found in Wrexham , her father is a grocer.b Ysceifiog , Flintshire

I`ve not been able to find William Owen Jones in  Wales after 1881.

(Olwen supposed to have been  born Holyhead )
Family search has this baptism
Olwen Stuart  Baptism  27 Mar 1911  Cape of Good Hope, South Africa 
 Father William Owen Jones Mother Emma Marion Stuart Jones  .

I`m guessing the birth wasn`t registered in Wales. I can`t find it .
What a long journey to take a baby.
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Alisdiar on Tuesday 31 March 15 08:42 BST (UK)
What do people think his surname was..  Jones, or Owen-Jones. I have always assumed the latter, but now think Owen must be his middle name.
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Tuesday 31 March 15 09:10 BST (UK)
In the newspaper article about the prize giving he is just Jones.

His Grandfather was Owen Jones, so it is likely to be a middle name.
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Alisdiar on Tuesday 31 March 15 20:57 BST (UK)
Brilliant. Many thanks. It is wonderful to fill the spaces and add detail to the life of William Owen Jones.
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 14 October 15 11:58 BST (UK)
Just come across this Carte de Visite whilst sorting my old photos into date order and thought I would email a copy to the restaurant but...:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-25280742.html

I did finally get a response from the person that I emailed a copy to after a bit of prompting..and he said that he was researching for a friend and that the online tree wasn't his...he would let me know when his friend had received the copy...haven't heard from him since.

I will go there one day and take the photo to show the next owners!!

Carol
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 14 October 15 15:47 BST (UK)
I have passed it many times, but never been in.  Isn`t it annoying when people don`t respond, especially after all the work that has been done.
Title: Re: Seeking Family of School Masters A Hickson & W. T. Phillips, Bala Grammar 1877
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 14 October 15 16:32 BST (UK)
You never know...raising it again might just flush out some relatives  ;D
Thanks for all your help.
Carol