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hi, I have an eli Clarke born wotton under edge 1826 -to Robert Clarke and sarah croome , there was also a brother George born 1831 , I have ELI in the 1841 census ,but no George , I also have a death certificate for a George Clarke 1838 , no parents names ,I also have a write up on the death from a local newspaper -again no parents names ,just George clarkes death by accidental burning -----I cannot find ELI in 1851 census at all, or anytime after in the years to follow , however I have a George Clarke born in wotton under edge,joining the army in 1853 ,fathers name Robert Clarke --I know this to be my great grandfather as ive followed him on through his army papers and his marriage to mary holloran ,and then to widnes Lancashire where his children were born , does anyone know if it would have been possible that George died in the fire and ELI took on georges name and lived as George , in later years the said George called his first son George eli -- if im wrong -is there anyway anyone else can find an ELI CLARKE born in 1826 anywhere at all , I would be over the moon , thanks in advance ,
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There is an Eli Clarke death in Bristol in 1851. Could that be him?
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I will have a look , I hadn't found anything at all
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hi craclyn ,I will send for that certificate tomorrow and see what it says thanks
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Good luck. Hope it turns out to be the chap you are looking for.
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Hi Bojangels ....are we talking about 2 different families here ? is this the census you have for Eli Clark/e
in 1841 Civil Parish Wotton Under Edge
William Croome aged 65
Sarah Clark born abt 1806 aged 35
John Darney born abt 1834 aged 7
Eli Clark born abt 1826 aged 15
Ruth Clark born abt 1829 aged 12
Rowland Clark born abt 1833aged 8
Charlotte Thames born abt 1838 aged 3
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A tree on Ancestry has all the details for George Clarke married to Mary Holloran with all the details that you mentioned along with copies of marriage certificate ...and army records but they have his parent's down as Robert & Betty Clarke which could possibly be wrong ..The question is what George were you talking about that died in the fire ?
There are a few Eli Clarke's on the England and Wales criminal records one transported to Tasmania in 1848 maybe worth checking
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ROSIE17 , thanks for the reply ,yes I have Robert and betty on my tree as parents but I know now that they are the wrong ones --I did have the incorrect family line ,but im back now into wotton under edge looking for the family as that's where George is supposed to have come from , its really George Clarke im looking for but as I cant find proof of him anywhere ,im having to eliminate any family of clarkes who have a son called George in them , that's where eli comes in, I have a Robert Clarke married to a sarah croom with a George and an eli in , I also have a death of a George Clarke aged 7 burnt to death in 1838 which matches my George ,but I need to know which family that unfortunate George came from as if his parents were Robert and sarah Clarke then that's obviously the wrong family again , --I will get there its just there are so many George clarkes in wotton under edge --where do I find the info on eli Clarke as a criminal please thank you -bo
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rosie 17 , me again ,yes just seen your other post ,yes that's the family im following now if its not the correct one at least ive eliminated them
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Hi a bit confused here is the George you have the brother of Eli ? and the problem is you can't find him with the family in 1841 census noting the father Robert is not there also .....Do you have access to Ancestry.. as this is where I seen the records but note no information other than the crime again this is just speculation ...Most library's have Ancestry where you can view these records
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hi rosie ,yes there is a eli and a George belonging to a Robert and sarah Clarke of wotton under edge -ive traced all their children bar eli and George -I dont know if this is my family im looking for or not but its the only family I can find with a father Robert and a son called George ---I know in later life my grandfather called himself George eli and he also called his son George eli,which makes me think this may be the correct family , but whats throwing me is I have a death of a George Clarke aged 8 in wotton in 1838 ,-the poor child burned to death whilst his parents were at work,i need to eliminate this George as if I can do this ,then I think im still on the right track ---however as there was no parents name on his death record or in the newspaper report I have no idea how I can find out who he belonged to ---if he belonged to Robert and sarah Clarke and brother to eli then im on the wrong family for me as obviously my George was still alive ---im so confused -I just need a new thought on it from someone to maybe help me see things in a different light ,BO xx
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Hi did you manage to find the parents in other census forms ? there was a death for a Sarah Clark 1842 Dursley Gloucester ....There was a George Clark born about 1827 Wotton Under edge in the 1851 census with a wife Elizabeth and a son Richard ....Is this George yours George Elias Clarke marriage 1857 Registration district Newport Pagnell ...I think maybe you will need to find out where they hold the church records for Dursley Chapel Methodist Gloucester and see if you can find anything ...this was the church where the children were baptised
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hi bless you for helping ,thank you , I have the childrens baptisms ,EMMA ,ELI,RUTH,GEORGE,ROWLAND,AND PAMELA -I also have ROBERT CLARKE marriage to SARAH CROOME,20th july 1823 at the parish church of ST MARYS THE VIRGIN WOTTON UNDER EDGE ,I then have a death for ROBERT CLARKE 3rd quarter 1838 ,and a death for SARAH CLARKE 4th quarter 1846-- im awaiting these death certificates to see what they say , ---ive traced EMMA,RUTH,ROWLAND TO BRISTOL in later years ,not found PAMELA,at all, ELI I couldn't find ,but then found that death certificate in Bristol in 1st quarter 1851,so ive sent for that also to see what information that gives me , all three should be here by the weekend ,I have no idea about GEORGE, but (if hes my family )then obviously hes around somewhere in 1841 and 1851 , but where I have to find out , -I remember ages ago seeing a GEORGE CLARKE in a school in BRISTOL ,so im just going to have a look now and see what I can find ,I am on ancestry and find my past ,but a bit slow to work it all out , is there any way I can find out how many George clarkes are born in wotton under edge with a fathers name of Robert , any help appreciated ,silv x
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sorry rosie forgot to add my George joined the army in the 45th and 59th reg , he was in south Africa in the 1861 census and he married mary holloran in galway on the 26th september 1866 , I have their wedding certificate , he later came to widnes Lancashire and had George eli ,mary kate ,john Robert and then mary ended up in the workhouse in prescot and gave birth to my grandfather james Clarke in 1877 .--George was lost again after 1874 when his last known address was 20 Cromwell street widnes ---so I have all his life except his birth and first few years and then his death
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Yes I seen the information on your tree with your George ??? ??? that many George's !! will have another look tomorrow getting a bit late now ...Oh they don't make it easy for us do they ;D ;D
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rosie ,they certainly don't , I had this info years ago and dismissed it as I thought the George in this family had been burnt to death --not realising there were so many damn George clarkes in wotton ,lol,then I followed the wrong lead and got pally with someone who thought we were related , found out het George and Robert are deffo not mine ,so I went back to the beginning --I just need to find him ,don't know why ,but he wont leave me alone lol x
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I can see you have been searching for him for a long time the only thing I can suggest is you maybe contact the Historical Society & Heritage Centre and see if they can help .....And hopefully you will find the right George :) :)
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ok so got eli clarkes death certificate -no family names on it just the nurse at the hospital who was present at his death ==im 99% sure its the eli Clarke im looking for as it all fits in with other information I have -----so ive now found all the brothers and sisters for that family bar George -- now I need to find out if he was the George that died aged 8 in the fire at wotton under edge ,or indeed if he was my great grandfather George who went on to marry mary holloran -----if he is my George then where could he have gone in the 1841 and 1851 census ---and where do I start to look --any ideas please
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hi can anyone tell me if widnes was in Lancashire or Cheshire in the 1870s please
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Genuki entry for Widnes:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Widnes/
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thanks craclyn, ive just been thinking (takes me a long time ) lol, my family of clarkes lived in widnes in 1874 at 29 Cromwell street , then mary the wife and mother ended up in prescot union workhouse in 1877 ,im wondering if maybe the family moved nearer to the docks eg Wirral area -to find work - if that was the case im looking in the wrong place for georges death , what catchment area would prescot union workhouse take people in from -do you know ?
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I am no expert on that area, but from the following sentence "WIDNES, a town, a township, and a chapelry, in Prescot parish, Lancashire" in the genuki link I gave you, I would guess that Prescot Union Workhouse was in Prescot parish.
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thanks x
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hi can anyone look up a death please of a Robert clark(e) death stroud Gloucestershire -September 1838-----ive been told vol 11 page 44 ----but I cant find anything at all , -----I thought the reg district would be dursley or wotton under edge ,but I keep coming up with nothing at all , thank you ,
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There is one in Cheltenham Q1 1838 vol 11 p 199. Could that be him?
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Hello,
Not sure what you mean because you have it there - Stroud September 1838 vol 11 pg 44
Heywood
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New try. Clarke with an e. Stroud Q3 1838 vol 11 p 154.
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craclyn -will try it now thanks --
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craclyn -just tried it and although I get it up it says page 44 on it every time ---
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Did you mean that the one you gave isn't him? That's what I didn't understand. ???
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I type in the details and it comes up on ancestry --but when I . hes not there
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sorry when I tap . he isn't there
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Ancestry has it 144 and Free BMD has 154
Free bmd has a scan but looking at that it looks like Norwich ::)
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hewood I wil go back and have a look back in a bit
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I've just added - think it is Norwich from the scan!
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I cant look at the image though as theres no Robert Clarke on that image for that number
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FREE BMD I get nothing come up
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Name:
Robert Clarke
Registration Year:
1838
Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district:
Stroud
Parishes for this Registration District:
View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County:
Gloucestershire
Volume: this is what comes up everytime on my search and that's the wrong
11
number
Page:
44
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The Ancestry one is clearer. When you click on image, you are on the wrong page and need to go to next page- that is page 46.
You can then see Robert Clarke but it is Norwich page 154. I would say it is a transcription error.
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The Stroud entry on freebmd has page 154. You can find it by filtering on name Robert Clarke and dates 1838.
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The Stroud entry on freebmd has page 154. You can find it by filtering on name Robert Clarke and dates 1838.
It gives that but the image reads Norwich.
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if it is a error does that mean on the person who has copied the details out and it could be the Robert Clarke I want
sorry to sound thick ,I struggle to understand it
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so if I order a death certificate which numbers do I give them as when I ordered a nother certificate they ask the page and volume numbers
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I can only tell you what I see.
Viewing the image on both Free BMD and Ancestry shows the same.
It is clearer on Ancestry but I can see it says Robert Clarke Norwich Pg 154
The number is feint and It is understandable that it has been interpreted as 44 but it looks to be 154.
Have you looked at the image?
I don't think there is a death for Stroud.
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craclyn and Heywood ,thanks you have both been really helpful , maybe he went to Norwich for work and died there I know he was a miner ---I will investigate I have the image now thank you ---I got there in the end x
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If you are sure you have a Robert Clarke who died in Gloucestershire, I think Craclyn gave you a Cheltenham death.
Do you know when he died? He might have died before civil registration began.
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hewood im clutching at straws -I know he lived in wotton under edge as he married and had his children there ,but I couldn't find him in the 1841 census and a friend told me they found this death but the reg office couldn't find it -so I don't know whether I have to try Gloucester or Norwich now for the certificate ---im not sure its even him but there was a parish recording in wotton for a Robert Clarke so I thought I would try for the cert and see what itt gives me
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hi, does anyone know if I can get a coronors report of a childs death in 1838 in wotton under edge Gloucestershire uk . ,the coroner signed the death certificate but I want to know the parents names if possible --I have his death certificate ,I also have the newspaper cutting ,but it gives no fathers or mothers names just a man and his wife named Clarke were at work when the incident happened