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Hi all
I am trying to find out more about an Australian soldier. His name is Patrick George Skelly.
He was born in Dublin 1883-1884.
Can anyone find his birth or the names of his parents?
We know that he was in Australia in 1914 living in Swan Hill Victoria. He had a brother named James who also lived in Victoria at Bacchus Marsh.
Any help will be greatly appreciated as the information is for a book being compiled by my local genealogy club.
Thankyou
Denipam
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A Patrick Skelly and his twin John were baptised 21 May 1883 from Turners Cottages children of Edward Skelly and Esther Fox.
The Family can be found on the 1901 census of Dublin at 3.1 Turners Cottages,Shelbourne Road.
At present i cant locate a baptism for James so dont know if right family.
But to note on Irish Genealogy Church records the priest has written something in Latin after Patricks name which seems to be referring to 1908 possibly matrimonius in St Maria or Monica.
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This Patrick Skelly married Mary Redmond on 5th July 1908 there are Skelly/Redmond births showing from 1912 to 1919 so he may not be your man.
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Have you any details at all on either of the brothers.
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There was a George Patrick Skelly born Dublin South in 1883, there does not seem to be a death for a George Skelly before 1901 and no George Skelly on 1901 census of Dublin.
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There was a George Patrick Skelly born Dublin South in 1883, there does not seem to be a death for a George Skelly before 1901 and no George Skelly on 1901 census of Dublin.
Hi Dathai
Perhaps this is him. Is there anyway to check immigration records between his birth and 1901?
I don't have any other information but will ask at genealogy next Friday.
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My apologies while searching Family Search i entered George Skelly and George Patrick KELLY came up so this not him either.
I see the information you have given is on his embarkation roll for April 1916 from Melbourne with a service number of 5449 a private,can you not follow up this service number.
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Here is some more information regarding Patrick George Skelly:
Married Doris Bertha King in Echuca Nsw on 16 November 1940 aged 54
His parents were listed as Richard Skelly and Mary Riley.
Although we have his marriage we are still looking for his birth in Dublin.
Thanks for any help.
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Richard Skelly son of James Skelly married Mary Reilly dtr of Patrick Reilly 30 Sep 1868 North Co Dublin.
Civil cert
Marriage 1868
Dublin North
Vol 12 Page 489.
You would need the cert to see what part of Dublin they came from as not all baptisms are online for Dublin
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Hi There
Does Patrick's marriage record give an occupation for his father ?
Tara
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Hi There
This is the marriage of Richard & Mary
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/6f5bca0083494
Tara
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Richard Skelly had a brother called Bernard Skelly !
Here is his marriage
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/8bede20067068
Tara
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. . . a son of Bernard !
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/39ad1d0114476
Tara
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Irish prison register 1863 Richmond Jail
Richard Skelly born 1847 Boot Lane,assault police
Residence with parents 23 Greek St age 16 so about 21 when getting married.
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Hi There
I'm PRETTY sure that I have you back another generation.
I think Richard's parents were James Skelly & Mary Quinn.
The problem is that the surname has been mistranscribed a LOT !
Marriage of James Skelly & Mary Quinn
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9020eb0049763
Children of James Skelly & Mary Quinn
Daughter Jane
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/0ea2870246397
Son Bernard (Given that we KNOW that Richard had a brother called Bernard I think this record seals the deal)
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/5a01de0249007
Unknown Skelly (Could this be Richard ???)
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a1c5f10237302
The following two are possibilites to file away
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/d6b38f0381194
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/35eb7a0382085
Tara
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Hi Dathai
I think that 1850 Unknown Skelly looks like a good possibility for Richard then so !
Tara
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For Reference
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KMQ2-B9X
Tara
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Was there ever any mention as to when Patrick went to Australia ?
Tara
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Tara your on fire blazing through the records.
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I took a break for a while so I'm nicely refreshed ;D
Tara
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Another Skelly from Greek Street - I'd imagine that there is some connection !
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KM3Z-5G3
Tara
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A few records for Bernard Skelly
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KM36-HLD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KM3L-7QH
This record then adds up to the Bernard marriage that I sent you earlier
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KMQL-2NJ
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KMQL-GT4
Tara
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Hi Dathai and Taramcdsmall
You are both amazing with the information you have found.
I don't know when Patrick George Skelly came to Australia. He was living in Swan Hill Victoria in 1914.
Is it possible to find the children of Richard and Mary Skelly?
The information we would really like to find is a record of Patrick birth as well as when he came to Australia.
My local genealogy group are putting a book together featuring world war soldiers and Patrick is one of the soldiers.
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For Reference
https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=276355
Tara
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Hi There
Nothing is showing up online for Richard & Mary other than what myself and Dathai posted.
1. The surname is a tricky one so it there may be records showing on a variation that I haven't tried or thought of.
2. There seems a big gap between when Richard & Mary married and to when Patrick was born, a not unheard of gap but just worth noting.
3. For the 1880's in Ireland you CAN get civil birth certs but you need reference numbers to get them. The problem that you are up against is that while it's a rarish surname there are still quite a few Patrick Skelly's born in and around the years that you are working with. There are also a number of MALE Skelly's too. All in all I saw about 10 possibilites just with the surname Skelly; I didn't count the other surname variations. To get research civil records cost 4 euro each - so multiply that by the 10 possibilites and you can see how expensive it can get very quickly, AND that's not to say that any of them would be for YOUR Patrick. Civil Registration was still in it's infancy here at that time and there were numerous records that were not registered and Patrick may have been one of those.
4. There are a few Dublin churches which have their old baptisms and marriages on a site called IFHF pay per view. Using their free index though I got zero matches.
Sorry not to have a better answer for you.
Tara
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Hello,
I have been following this hoping that you would find your man. I have looked and may have missed this but where is the information that he was born in Ireland?
As there is such a gap between marriage and his birth, could the Skellys have emigrated prior to that?
regards
heywood
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Hi Heywood
I did wonder the same as there is NO sign of Richard in Death Records or in Glasnevin.
Also,
Is this his death ?
Patrick George Skelly
Colac, Victoria
Age: 68
Year: 1961
Place: Victoria
This is pushing his year of birth out even further which is making it a bit tight !
Tara
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This may be nothing BUT
there are a James, Richard & Patrick SCULLY in Australia whom were all born in the 1880's yet in INDIA !
Tara
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This may be nothing BUT
there are a James, Richard & Patrick SCULLY in Australia whom were all born in the 1880's yet in INDIA !
Tara
sounds interesting :)
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James Skelly b 1886 India, Patrick Skelly b 1881 India, Richard Skelly b 1880 India all were made Registers of State Wards in Victoria Australia.
I think this is worth chasing up - given the names and ages being in the right arena - we now need to see can we see Richard the father in India.
Tara
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Possibility here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG4S-4B3
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BINGO Heywood
Fair Play
I'd imagine that Richard was in the military in India.
The poor boys must have been orphaned there :(
Tara
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. . .
and a brother Peter
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG4S-4VW
Tara
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Could this be Richard Junior mistranscribed as KELLY ?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG4S-MLD
Tara
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I'd scratch that last Richard possibility as I've just seen a lot of Richard Kelly's in India ???
Tara
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James Skelly b 1886 India, Patrick Skelly b 1881 India, Richard Skelly b 1880 India all were made Registers of State Wards in Victoria Australia.
I think this is worth chasing up - given the names and ages being in the right arena - we now need to see can we see Richard the father in India.
Tara
I was just going to post Peter who seems to be the only one that is the same family.
The three years of birth above and Peter's though are so many years after the marriage :-\
I can't see any record of Richard.
Perhaps there could be further investigation re the State wards placement.
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Looking back over dates it would appear that Richard Senior was born 1850 and married 1868 - all within limits so far and then we can only presume the same of his wife Mary.
While there IS a big gap between marriage and children COULD this be accounted for by what now appears to be a military career of some sort.
As the children were born in the 1880's - Mary was still only in her 30's - so I'm not concerned by that !
Also, it's most likely that Richard died in service then and I'm not sure how good those records were kept in India at that time.
I would suggest our poster attaching this link to the Military Forum to see can he get any leads there !
Tara
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Just a thought !
Could Richard have gone to India with the military by himself and Mary only joined him in later years - this might explain the gap a bit better ???
Tara
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I don't have any more information at home but will pass on all your new found links and information to my genealogy club member who is collating the soldier details.
I am sure she appreciates the efforts you have gone to helping us. Thankyou
I will see her on Friday then give an update.
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Found by googling ''Richard Skelly and Mary Reilly ,India ''
Inverness Archives
John Cameron son of Hugh Cameron and Mary Kavanagh married
Catherine Skelly dtr Richard Skelly and Mary Reilly in Perth,W Australia in 1904.
Catherine said she was born in India.
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Same site different poster
Catherine Skelly born circa 1879.
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Thanks Dathai
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Hi There,
I know this thread is old but my grandmother has sent me on the hunt for family history her maiden name being Cameron. Super interested in this thread because I have a hand written declaration which can confirm that Rickard Skelly (husband of Mary nee Reilly) enlisted on 3rd Dec 1864 for Her Majesty's 'Sommart' (<-- Sorry handwritting is not 100% clear there) until 1870. Then Volunteered in the 1st Essex Regiment in India in 1881. Richard did not die in service he retired in Victoria, Australia.
I'm looking into details of their Daughter Catherine Mary Skelly (who married John Cameron, my grandmothers grandfather) She was Born in India 1878/79 and died 25 July 1955 aged 77. She married John Cameron in WA and lived in the Gippsland Victoria Australia.
Super interested to know more about the three brothers sent as wards to the state and am chasing this up here in Melbourne Victoria AU. My Grandmother has me on the hunt for sisters, not brothers!