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Title: Cole family
Post by: PLB on Sunday 13 July 14 03:30 BST (UK)
Hi, can you assist? I am trying to get more information on my "Cole" ancestors. This is what I have:
William Nicholas Cole. Born 30/8/1783 in St James, Westminster. D 28/6/1849 in Southampton.
His wife was Louisa (obtained from their son Alfred,s birth certificate) I would love to know Louisa's maiden name and parents.
William's parents were:
John Peter Cole. B 23/10/1742 at St James, Westminster. D 28/3/1810 at St James, Westminster.
Sarah Green. B 20/6/1758 at St James Westminster. D 16/6/1802 at St James Westminster.
I have no information on either of their parents.
We also have a family name, "Sholto" from this side of the family. I would love to find out where it originated.
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: gortonboy on Sunday 13 July 14 04:44 BST (UK)
hi,,,just found a baptism for William Nicholas Cole,,,all details appear to match,,,except the father was called William,,,not John Peter  ?
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: gortonboy on Sunday 13 July 14 04:49 BST (UK)
there is a marriage in 1808 at St James  Piccadilly for William Nicholas Cole,,,but his spouse is a Mary Bennett ?
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: gortonboy on Sunday 13 July 14 04:53 BST (UK)
found this one though


Wm NicholasCOLE m Louisa WHITBREAD  28 Jul 1820 EDMONTON

Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: PLB on Sunday 13 July 14 05:08 BST (UK)
Gortonboy, many thanks. The marriage of WM Cole to Louisa Whitbread in 1820 is a breakthrough. It looks correct as their son Alfred was born in 1823. It is possible that Mary was a previous marriage, but my interest is in Louisa Whitbread. Any thoughts on where the family name "Sholto" might have originated?
Regards
Pat
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: jennifer c on Sunday 13 July 14 18:28 BST (UK)
Have you got more for us to go with Sholto name?

Jennifer
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: sgf28 on Sunday 13 July 14 18:38 BST (UK)
William Nicholas Cole was a widower when he married Louisa Whitbread, she was a widow.

Witnesses: Sarah Whitbread. Samuel Whitbread. John Whitbread.

Date: 28 Jul 1820

Parish:Edmonton All Saints
Borough:Enfield
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 13 July 14 20:23 BST (UK)
Hi

Wonder if this is Louisa's first marriage

18 Dec. 1813 Islington, Hornsey Rise

John Whitbread Esq. of Edmonton, widower, to Louisa Morrison of Hornsey, spinster. By licence.
Both signed
Witnesses: Geo. Brownsworth ? and Ann Morrison.

There is a burial of a John Whitbread 22 Sept. 1814 aged 44 Edmonton, All Saints

claire
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 13 July 14 20:35 BST (UK)
Hi

The three witnesses to the marriage of Louisa and William N Cole, could be the children of the above John Whitbread and are mentioned in his Will along with Louisa, dated 12 July 1814, proved 13 Oct 1814.

claire
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 13 July 14 21:47 BST (UK)
Hi

Found a reference to the name SHOLTO ~ it has it's origins in Scotland, and is often used as a male/boys name.

Meaning " a sower of seed "  :)

claire
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: barryd on Tuesday 10 October 17 02:02 BST (UK)
The most famous Sholto ?

Marshal of the Royal Air Force William Sholto Douglas, 1st Baron Douglas of Kirtleside, GCB, MC, DFC was a senior commander in the Royal Air Force.

I am looking at the Cole family

George Montague Cole and Alfred Whaley Cole. George a Bank Manager and Alfred a Judge. Brothers both emigrated to South Africa from England. George's daughter Gertrude Wynne Cole Singer and Actress born South Africa and later in England (for second marriage)  and moved to British Guiana, then died in England.

Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: barryd on Tuesday 10 October 17 04:35 BST (UK)
I am linked into Gertrude Wynne Cole, daughter of George Montagu Cole (sometimes Montague). GMC is son of William Nicholas Cole. Both GMC and GMC's brother Alfred Whaley Cole were in South Africa. Gertrude Wynne Cole married Seymour Dallas in South Africa, divorced in South Africa.

GWC married again to Bernard Vidal Shaw in England, went to British Guiana with him and died in England.
GWC was a Singer and Actress.

http://www.tolliss.com/webtrees/individual.php?pid=I15101&ged=Tolliss
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: barryd on Saturday 30 December 17 03:41 GMT (UK)
The youngest child of the Cole/Whitbread marriage is Emily Whitbread Cole born Islington 22 August 1821 and baptized 10 January 1822 Islington. She married Thomas East Lomax 1844, Marylebone

There is a website "Tollis and Berger" that had quite a few references to the Cole family
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: PLB on Saturday 30 December 17 04:13 GMT (UK)
Very helpful. Thank you.
Does anyone know the parents of Louisa Whitbread?
Thanks,
Pat
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: DavidG02 on Saturday 30 December 17 07:08 GMT (UK)
There is a thread on here regarding James Montague Cole b 1812 Northamptonshire

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l83/

I find it interesting Montague Cole seems to be a name appellation through a few Cole families. I wonder of the link?
Title: Re: Cole family
Post by: Jon Collins on Sunday 30 December 18 03:57 GMT (UK)
I have a photo of a family archive ..might help.
This was in my Grandfathers papers .
He was Thomas Watkin Williams in NZ.
How do I send a photo?
Jon