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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Barbara348 on Tuesday 22 July 14 17:31 BST (UK)
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Hi,I'm looking for help please.
In our family we have a few lost souls in the US over the years, where we've been really struggling to find useful information about them or access US records, so any help would be appreciated on the following:
1. Alice (Mary) Howell - Looking for any immigration/death/burial/obit records
Born around August 1870 in UK (to James and Alice Howell), and is on April 1871 UK census, but her parents moved the family to USA in around April to August 1871.
She died at some point in the US (a letter refers to her having been ‘left behind’ in Kansas), between April/August 1871 and early 1875.
Other references (to relations out in US with them) would indicated that they have been in the Lawrence area of Kansas.
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2. Juliett Harriet Annie Howell (sister to above) – Looking for any birth/baptism/emigration records.
Born early 1873 in the US (all later UK censuses just refer to US, not to a state)
She returned with family to UK sometime between early 1873 and early 1875.
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3. Thomas (or James Thomas) Finn – Looking for any immigration/marriage/children/death/obit records
He was born c. 1849 in Kent, England.
We know that he moved to US sometime after 1870.
He married a lady called Emma Test (though spelling not 100% sure on Test) in Chicago in April 1892, but died there in 1893.
4.Emma Test – Looking for any child/marriage records.
We think she was born c. 1856 in Indiana or Kentucky
She is shown on 1900 and 1910 censuses in Chicago, and we think she died c.1913.
We're looking to find out if he’d been married before her, if they/she had kids (we believe a son aged 18 is shown on 1900 census, but if he is a son he predates their marriage)
We have been trying to get some information on these family members for such a long time now so we would be very grateful for any information that might be found.
Thanks very much.
Barbara.
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Possible death record for Emma Finn - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7NZ-LBZ
The 1910 census for Emma says she has one child, but the column that is supposed to indicate the number of children living is blank.
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Possible burial for Alice Howell listed here - http://gis.lawrenceks.org/viewer/index.html?config=config-cem.xml
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Chicago Daily Tribune, 15 Mar. 1893
Finn - March 14, 1893, Thomas Finn, aged 42 years. Funeral services at 11 a.m. Wednesday March 15 at the undertaking establishment of Rogerson & Son, 485 W. Madison St. Burial at Rosehill.
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If I am looking at the correct 1910 census:
Chicago Ward 2, 1910
Emma T(?) Finn, servant, age 52, years married 28, born Kentucky, parents born Indiana; Cook, Private Family. It appears that in the marital status column she is shown as Married, maybe Married 1 (one time). As Shelly mentioned: 1 child born, column of children living is blank.
She was living in the household of Mr. and Mrs. Tansill(?). Indiana Avenue, No. 2916
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Possible death record for son or stepson Harry Finn: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N727-SG6
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1900 Chicago Ward 05 Census
Harry Finn, born March 1882, single, born Indiana as were parents. Bridgeworker
Emma's birthplace is Indiana as were her parents. Her marital status is 19 years, with a possible slash through the 19. It looks like it could be Wd, rather than M in the married/widowed column. She was born December 1856.
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Harry Finn, born March 1882, single, born Indiana as were parents.
Possibly birth?
Harry T Henry, born 5 March 1882, Knox County, Indiana. Mother: Emma E Terrell
Update: This record won't work - where does the surname Test fit in? :-\
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The Family History Library has cemetery records for the cemetery where Alice Howell may have been buried: https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/423110#/423110?availability=Family%20History%20Library You may be able to request a copy of the internment card through their photoduplication service. https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services
If you don't already have a copy of the death records for Emma, Harry, & Thomas Finn, you may want to request them through there, also. Seeing the actual record may yield some other clues.
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WWII Draft Reg Card
Harry Henry, born March 5, 1882, Indiana.
So, the previous entry for Emma Terrell is not for Emma Test. Sorry.
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Hi all,
Possible burial for Alice Howell listed here - http://gis.lawrenceks.org/viewer/index.html?config=config-cem.xml
Shelley, thank you for the link to Alice Howell but unfortunately it appears to be broken - I'm unable to open it.
Can you tell me what it says please or from where I could get a copy of the information, I'd really like to see what it says.
Shelley & Lisa, thanks also both, for the info re the Finn family.
Do you know if there are any previous 1870 or 1880 census records for Thomas Finn (might be shown as James Thomas or Thomas James) or Emma Test?
Also, is it possible that there are any burial records for Rosehill for all the 3 people please?
Thomas Finn 1893
Emma Finn 1913
Harry J Finn 1908
Your help is really appreciated, I'm beginning to feel that we just might eventually get the information on our relatives that we've been looking for, for so long.
Thanks again
barbara.
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Possible burial for Alice Howell listed here - http://gis.lawrenceks.org/viewer/index.html?config=config-cem.xml
Seems to be working okay for me Barbara ???
Howell Alice Mary
Burial Date 10/15/71
Lot Owner Howell Alice Mary
Cemetery - Oak Hill - Section 4 - Lot Info Reserve Grave 214 - Row : Grave 214 - Lot ID 13556
Sandra
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Hi Barbara:
According to information on the internet, Rosehill has strict privacy rules. From what I read, one has to be directly related to the deceased in order to obtain information. I can find the link again, which explains more. (I literally just deleted the link.)
I tried looking for Emma prior to 1900 and have not yet found her. I didn't look for Thomas J/James T yet. Perhaps he may be easier to find.
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Link regarding Rosehill:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=107767
I assume this is the "same" Rosehill" where the Finns are buried?
Alice Howell link works for me as well; it did take awhile to open it, though. (But, I have an old computer.)
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Hi Lisa, thanks for the Find a Grave link. Yes, We believe all 3 'Finns' are buried there. It would have been nice to know if there is a gravestone though but after reading about the cemetery rules etc it appears it's not too easy to find out.
Also, re Alice Mary Howell.
I still cannot open the link Lisa.
As you have been able to open it, can you tell me what the information is please/
Thanks
Barbara.
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The information that is there for Alice is what Sandra mentioned above with date of burial and plot location.
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Hi Sandra, my apologies , I completely missed the info you sent re the burial location of Alice Mary Howell.
Thanks so much for that - excuse possibly silly question but I take it that the Oakhill Cemetery mentioned is in Lawrence?
It would be good to somehow get more details of the Interment etc.
Also, would it be possible for me to obtain a copy of her death certificate? Can you tell me where I might get it from please?
That would settle one of the long term gaps in our family history.
I really appreciate your time on this.
Thanks very much.
Barbara.
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I'm not sure if a death certificate would exist for that time frame. This says that few counties in Kansas kept death records then: http://www.kshs.org/p/genealogy-vital-records-in-kansas/11313
I think the easiest/least expensive way to get the internment details may be from the Family History Library photoduplication service I mentioned above.
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Hi Shelley,
thank you for the info.
I'll try and contact the Family history department you gave me the link for earlier and seek their advice on how to obtain a copy of the Interment card.
Thanks very much for your help
Barbara.