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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: LizzieL on Wednesday 23 July 14 15:37 BST (UK)
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My great aunt Rose Eltham was born in Chilton Berkshire in 1873 as were all her siblings. Their parents were Alfred and Elizabeth (nee Annetts). On the 1881 census she is with her parents and sister Minnie and brother Ben. In 1891 she is in Kensington as a servant in the Bridges household. Then she completely disappears until record of her death 31 Jan 1950 in Cholsey Berkshire, burial in Cholsey on 4th Feb 1950 and record of probate granted to Heber Eltham (my grandfather). The 1950 records are in her (I assume) married name of Rose Mackenzie.
In the mean time the rest of the family had moved to Cholsey and Alfred became an innkeeper there. My grandfather took over the pub in 1924 after Alfred and Elizabeth died. I assume that Rose came back from wherever she had been to be with her remaining family, possibly after being widowed.
Can anyone find her in the "missing years" please.
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Could this be her ?
1901
George Mackenzie 27 Ireland
Rose K Mackenzie 24 Chilton, Berkshire, England
Piece 2819
Folio 99
Page 21
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Not Allowed to post the 1911 census but you can search under this address
18 Edgbaston Road, Smethwick Worcestershire
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This could be husband/partner
George Paul Mac Kenzie
Birth 17 Aug 1873
Birthplace Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father Archibald Mac Kenzie
Mother Susan Scott
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Unnamed (male) Mckenzie bp 3 Oct 1873 DONNYBROOK, DUBLIN,
parents William Mckenzie & Charlotte Mary Murphy
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Rose Kathleen Eltham m Dec qtr 185 Limerick RD
ref 5 p 185
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George Paul Mackenzie m Dec qtr 185 Limerick RD
ref 5 p 185
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Thank you very much, that certainly looks like her, though she seems to have acquired a middle name! Family stories said she went to London and lived with a married man who was quite well off, so when I didn't find a marriage in England, I assumed that there was some truth in it and she had adopted his surname. But only looked in London.
So she married in Ireland and lived in Smethwick for the early years of the 20th century. I wonder if she went to Ireland and met George there or he was working in England. But then why go to Ireland to marry? More usual to marry in the bride's home area. Now to try and find George in 1891 and also his death.
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The nearest George I can find in 1891 is in Wales clerk to a shipbroker born Dublin and boarding with the Stothart family. Middle initial P.
Seems a long way from any of the other locations where they were known to be.
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Death
Poss
George P Mackenzie death registered Dec 1937 aged 64 RD Lewisham
ref 1d 1063
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That would be the right age and gives a connection with London. I have found a George Paul Mackenzie making a lot of trips from England to Spain and Portugal from 1916 to 1928. In the earlier records he lives in Wimbledon, but later moves to Forest Hill, which I think is in Lewisham district.
26 Feb 1916 Geo 1874 n/r Marine Underwriter Liverpool Vigo (Leixoes originally but crossed out)
18 Mar 1919 G P 1873 n/r n/r Liverpool Lisbon
8 Apr 1919 George Paul 1873 21 Vineyard Hill Road Underwriter Lisbon Liverpool
5 Feb 1921 George 1874 n/r Underwriter Southampton Leixoes
2 Oct 1923 G P 1875 21 Vineyard Hill Road SW19 Underwriter Liverpool Leixoes
21 Mar 1924 George 1874 21 Benson Road Forest Hill Underwriter Southampton Lisbon
22 Jan 1925 George 1873 21 Benson Road Forest Hill Underwriter Southampton Leixoes Portugal
18 May 1925 George Paul 1873 21 Benson Road Forest Hill Mng Director Lisbon Southampton
4 Nov 1925 George Paul 1873 21 Benson Road SE23 Director Lisbon Southampton
15 Mar 1926 George 1874 21 Benson Road SE23 Director Southampton Vigo Spain
30 May 1927 George 1874 21 Benson road SE23 Director Southampton Lisbon
31 Mar 1928 George P 1875 21 Benson Road SE23 Nil Liverpool Leixoes
25 May 1928 George P 1874 21 Blowson (sic) Road London SE Merchant Lisbon Liverpool
My George was an Iron Merchant in 1901 and in 1911 a Manager for a shipping agent.
The George P I found in Wales in 1891 was a clerk to a shipbroker.
The occupations for the travelling George Paul do seem to have a connection with the occupations of my George, so might be the same one.
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Looks good Lizzie
For peace of mind I would order the marriage cert to confirm correct fathers are on the certificate. But I think its correct.
Kind regards Judi
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This could be husband/partner
George Paul Mac Kenzie
Birth 17 Aug 1873
Birthplace Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father Archibald Mac Kenzie
Mother Susan Scott
or
Unnamed (male) Mckenzie bp 3 Oct 1873 DONNYBROOK, DUBLIN,
parents William Mckenzie & Charlotte Mary Murphy
Just found Archibald on the calender of wills, administration to Susan his widow. Archibald died 11 June 1886 and was a shipbroker. And in 1903 for Susan Scott MacKenzie administration to Elizabeth B MacKenzie spinster, but doesn't give relationship. The address is different but not unreasonable to have moved in 17 years. Can't see any likely Williams. As Archibald's occupation is ship broker, he looks the best candidate.
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Now I've found how to access Irish records, I've found the marriage of George's brother (James Scott MacKenzie) to Mary Ann Rendell in 1894, James is a ship broker and father Archibald is a ship owner. One of the witnesses was Stephen M Mackenzie.
Stephen Maxwell Mackenzie has a son baptised in 1899 called Rubius Archibald Scott Mackenzie, so for Stephen to be a brother looks very likely.
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Just found a newspaper report about George Paul Mackenzie.
In may 1915 he was in court accused of defrauding a woman of her investment in a building scheme. He was discharged as the stipendiary magistrate said it was unlikely that a jury would convict. Sounds like he was sailing a bit close to the wind!
His address is the same as on 1901 and 1911 census and he is described as until recently bein chief clerk to a firm of shipping agents.
So although not found guilty, it might fit with him moving to London and getting a job which involved a lot of travel to Portugal starting in 1916.
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Looks good Lizzie
For peace of mind I would order the marriage cert to confirm correct fathers are on the certificate. But I think its correct.
Kind regards Judi
Marriage record is on line. George's father is Archibold - ship broker, and Rose's is Alfred, which is correct. But he's described as a gentleman. Possibly she felt the need to big him up from a blacksmith