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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Maureen Garvey on Friday 25 July 14 06:25 BST (UK)
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I am related to Eliza Howis who was a convict, transported to Van Diemen's Land with her son James and William on the ship "Anna Maria" 1851-1852. I need to know her parents's names and details of her sons' births.
Maureen
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In the 1851 census Eliza Howis was in the County Prison in Lewes. Census ref: HO107/1643/485/66
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Thanks for that. I believe that her older son was in a Union workhouse somewhere too. I would like to get information about her marriage to William Howis and her maiden name if possible so I can track down her parents and siblings. I believe that William was also arrested over the charge of receiving stolen goods, but I do not know if he received jail sentence or transportation as she did.
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We are not told the boys' approximate ages, but James may be the James Howis born Mar qtr 1849 Cuckfield. A public tree has his death aged 2 on 17 Jan 1852 "on board convict ship Anna Maria with his mother".
As James Howess, 2 b Cuckfield, he was in Ticehurst Union Workhouse in the 1851 census. Ho107/1639/182/8.
You'd need to order the birth certificate for further details of his birth.
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In the 1851 census Eliza Howis was in the County Prison in Lewes. Census ref: HO107/1643/485/66
Yes - and unmarried. She's enumerated as 23 b Cowfold.
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She was Eliza Howis alias Brooks in a newspaper report of her trial - sentenced to 14 years transportation for feloniously receiving stolen goods as a result of a burglary at Portslade. A large quantity of drapery goods had been stolen from the shop of William Baker, grocer & draper, of Portslade.
West Kent Guardian, 22 March 1851.
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I see from the surgeon's journal of the relevant voyage that Eliza, James (3) and William (1) all suffered from dysentery during their time on board. Eliza and William recovered but James died on 17 Jan 1852.
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Hello Maureen
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Baptised at Burwash,Sussex
William Howiss
15 Feb 1851
Son of Eliza Howiss,Single Woman
Could be yours
Kind Regards
omega
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Hi
You already seem to have James but here he is again
James Howis Mar 1849 7 371 Cuckfield
William Howiss Mar 1851 Ticehurst 7 561
Buying either cert will give you Eliza's maiden name.
In 1851 census James age 2 is in Ticehurst workhouse born Cookfield
There is a death for William at Hobart age 1 28.2.1852.
Eliza's birthplace is Cowfield so probably the same place.
William Howis born 1823 had been imprisoned for 3 mths 6.4.1843 for larceny.
That's the last I can see of him.
They don't seem to have married as they are not in the GRO index 1837-1852.
You could also try Eliza's 28.2.1853 Australian marriage to Frederick Butler or her death 1901 in Beaconsfield Tasmania ,they should both have her maiden name I believe.
You could take the baptism for an Eliza at Cuckfield an eliminate each one
There's Mitchel,Tester and Daws for 1828/1827.It's not Tester as she married someone else in 1850.
1830 give Packham,Prosser and Marten but you're better off getting those birth certificates.
Ciderdrinker
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Eliza's birthplace is Cowfold per 1851 (enumerator's schedule).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowfold
Since she's unmarried in the 1851 census and on William's 1851 baptism I'd think a baptism for her in surname Howis (or variants) most likely.
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Just spotted this
Eliza Howse bapt 1.2.1830 to William and Sylvester at Cowfield on Familysearch.
Siblings James 8.7.1832 Albourne and Abraham 5.2.1837 Ardingley.
Eliza and James in Cuckfield workhouse 1841 census
? older sister Sylvester age 15 also there.
Sylvester Howes died June 1838 Cuckfield 7 229
Ciderdrinker
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Another possible child for William & Sylvester (as HOWE):
Abraham, 1837: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QJD6-BDQ2
Oops - sorry, ciderdrinker had already found him :-[
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Just found this
Baptised at Cowfold
Eliza Howse
1 Feb 1830
Daughter of William & Slyvester Howse
Travellers
Married at Islip,Oxfordshire
omega
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I agree that James was in the Union Workhouse, but I would like verification of father's name and town, age etc. I have looked through a number of sources, such as 1841 and 1851 census for Sussex area, finding Eliza and child James, but not youngest child, William. The record I found Eliza's sentence at Lewes assizes, mentioned that she was arrested with her husband James and father William but no surnames were given, making me wonder whether it was her father or husband's father. The other interesting thing about tracking this couple is that I was able to get much more information about Eliza as a female convict, what happened to her in Tasmania etc. But both her first husband, a convict, and eventual husband in Tasmania, were so much harder to find.
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Eliza and James in Cuckfield workhouse 1841 census
? older sister Sylvester age 15 also there.
Sylvester Howes died June 1838 Cuckfield 7 229
Ciderdrinker
I can only see Silvester Howes in 1841 at the workhouse.
The Silvester Howis death in 1838 is Cuckfield registration district, (which includes Cowfold) not Cuckfield parish.
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I agree that James was in the Union Workhouse, but I would like verification of father's name and town, age etc.
As previously mentioned, you will need the birth certificates for details of the births. Index details have been given earlier in the thread. However, Eliza is unmarried in the 1851 census and a single woman on William's 1851 baptism, so it appears the boys were born out of wedlock and in those circumstances the father is very unlikely to be named on the birth certificate.
At Eliza's trial she was Eliza Howis alias Brooks, and a police superintendent gave evidence that he had "found some property upon prisoner Howis, and also in a barn in which she had resided with Brooks".
The first name of the male "Brooks" is not stated in the report (her fellow accused were James Edward(e)s, his wife Sarah Edward(e)s, and a James Gulvin alias Bull).
It is possible that the man with whom she lived in the barn was William Brooks, 30, who was on trial at the same Assizes for a different burglary, this one at Uckfield. His trial report mentions his organising a rendezvous at a barn between Leigh and Betchworth, though it does not say that he lived in the barn. He was convicted of burglary and sentenced to transportation for life.
(Sussex Advertiser, 18 March 1851).
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Baby William is likely to be the William "Harris" born Burwash, 2 months old, prisoner's child, listed at Lewes prison on the page immediately after Eliza's enumeration page in 1851. Howis might easily have been mistakenly changed to Harris.
The Burwash birthplace matches the Burwash baptism found for William in February 1851, earlier in the thread (reply #7).
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I see from the surgeon's journal of the relevant voyage that Eliza, James (3) and William (1) all suffered from dysentery during their time on board. Eliza and William recovered but James died on 17 Jan 1852.
Can you please tell me where the surgeon's journals are to be found for different voyages?
TIA
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Hi. I am not sure how I found the Ship's journal, but it was very interesting. I think I may have googled the name of the ship and then followed links to journal. But I have a copy of what I found. All three of the listed Howis ancestors aboard (Eliza, James and William were seen by the doctor for dysentery.
Journal of the Anna Maria Convict Ship
Mr. W. McCrea, Surgeon
Between the 22nd September 1851 and the 4th February 1852
National Archives Record summary of Surgeon’s Journal.
Dec 13 Eliza Howis 23 Female Convict Dysentery Dec 21 duty
1851. Folio 18: Eliza Howis, aged 23, female convict; sick or hurt, dysentery; put on sick list, 13 December 1851, discharged 21 December
(Ill on voyage)
Jan 7 James Howis 3 Child of a Female
Convict
Dysentery Jan 17 died
Folio 10: case no 14, James Howis, aged 3, child of female convict; sick or hurt, dysentery, this child was badly fed and had been repeatedly ill with bowel complaints previously He suffered much pain and motions were very bloody; put on sick list 7 January 1852, died 17 January 1852 at sea
Jan 28 William Howis 1 Child of a Female
Convict
Dysentery Jan 30
1851
Duty
Folio 16: William Howis, aged 1; put on list 20 October 1851; result of vaccination, unsuccessful.
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Thank you, I will look out for them.
Are you aware that there is quite a bit of information on the Female Convict Research Centre database for Eliza Howis? You have to register as a member to access it though.
http://www.femaleconvicts.org.au/
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Coming to this a bit late, but....
As far as I know, after their mother (Silvestia b1800ish ) died in 1837, and after a spell in Cuckfield Workhouse, Eliza was eventually deported to Tasmania.
Silvestia ( daughter ) b1827 Lindfield, married Daniel Kemp and was living in a tent on Copthorne common in 1851 ( the parents ages are wrong on the census ). I say married, but I understand that they didn't actually get married until 1869 in Canterbury, and she used the name Silvester Brooks !!!! I guess that Silvestia b1800 and William Henry Howes never did marry and that her name was actual Silvestia Brooks.
Silvestia b1827 and Daniel Kemp had about 13 children, the oldest was again Silvestia, registered as Silvester Howis in Cuckfield in 1843, she was my Great Grandmother.
Daniel Kemp and Silvestia lived at 1 Primrose Ally, Forest Row in 1861 and continued to live in the East Grinstead area.
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Hello There. Thanks for reply. Some interesting info.
Is your Sylvestre the same one that was also in Cuckfield workhouse at one time, Eliza’s sister? I think there were some brothers as well.
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On the 1841 census, Silvester was in workhouse at Cuckfield aged 15. I'm pretty sure that Eliza (Harriss ) and James were in workhouse at Hurtsperpoint aged 9 and 11.
James: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7SV-1JC
Eliza: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7SV-1VW
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Thanks for that. Do you have any information on their births and parents births. I gather they never married. My Great, great, grandmother was Eliza Howis, who was transported to van Diemen's land and married, had many more children to Frederick Butler. My grandmother ended up living in Auckland New Zealand from teenage years till death. I live in Australia.
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I found some old notes I made at the records Offices at Chichester and Lewes.
Sylvester Howes Bapt 30 Dec 1827 Lindfield Parents William Howes and Sylvester – “Travelling People”
Eliza Howes Bapt 01 Feb 1830 Cowfold Parents William Howes and Sylvester – “Travellers recently married Islip in Oxfordshire”
James Hows Chr 08 Jul 1832 Albourne Parents William Hows and Sylvester – “Travellers”
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N56N-9R7
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMBM-VPB
AND I HAVE JUST, THIS MINUTE, FOUND ANOTHER - Abraham Howse born 1837
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5XZ-4B6
Will have to investigate him
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William the son, born 1849 Cuckfield in Ticehurst workhouse on 1851 census
http://theweald.org/N10.asp?NId=4775133
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Thanks Peter. This son travelled with Eliza as well as a younger son James. All three suffered dysentery on journey to Hobart and one actually died.
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My Great-great grandmother was Silvester Howis(2), born 1827, sister to Eliza Howis who married Frederick Butler in Tasmania.
Silvester(2) and Eliza's mother was Silvester(1) Brooks/Howis. who married William Henry Howis.
GGGrandmother, Silvester(2) Howis married Daniel Kemp as Silvester Brooks in Canterbury in 1869.
Daniel and Silvester(2) had 12 or more children from 1843 onwards. My Great-Grandmother was the eldest, born in 1843, also Silvester(3). She married Jeremiah Dartnell, about 1860 and they had 12 children.
William and Silvester(1) also had James How or Horos chr 8th July 1832 at Albourne and Abraham Howe chr 5th February 1837 at Ardingly.
Eliza Howse was chr 1st February 1830 at Cowfold.
These records are from the IGI, thus the different spelling of the surnames.