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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: carolynb on Wednesday 30 July 14 15:12 BST (UK)
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I am trying to solve a family mystery as to who was the family member who was killed in ww1 his name was either Elias or Stephen but I dont know his surname his mother was a sister to my gt grandmother and was one of three sisters Mary Catherine Hewitt (or may have used Griffiths) Ann Griffiths or Agnes Griffiths I have found Henry Stephen Latham born 1895 and Elias Griffiths latham born 1890 both listed as living in Queensferry as boarders with Mary catherine Griffiths This I found on the Flintshire War memorials site it gives conflicting information as to Stephens parents and it it is correct they are not mine. Henry Stephen was killed in ww1
If anyone can help with Elias and Stephen
Their parents and are they brothers or maybe cousins
Thanks Carolyn
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Is this the Elias Griffith Latham you mean - from the 1901 census: -
Elizabeth Barlow, 68, widow b Haworden
Elias Griffith Latham, 10, grandson
Evelyn Agnes Latham, 7 granddaughter both b Haworden
Ref: RG13/3377/74/19
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Carolyn can you post the details you have on the parents for Henry Stephen Latham?
Is this him on the 1901 census?
Paul Latham, 33 labourer b Queensferry
Mary J 34 b Dublin
Anna 13 b Dublin
Henry S 5 b Queensferry
Ref RG13/5212/130/47
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Hi Elias Griffiths Latham with Elizabeth Barlow is spot on She was my Gt Gt grandmother her second husband was Joseph Barlow so Elias Griffiths Latham is correct and one of mine I now need to know which of her daughters was his mother with the Griffiths as a middle name could his mother have been single. and where Stephen fits in. My Mother gave me both the names Stephen and Elias years ago as she remembers one of them from when she was a child
Carolyn
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Still a bit confused about where Henry Stephen Latham fits in - do you have any info on his parents - you say it's conflicting?
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Possible marriage
Marriages Mar 1889
Griffiths Agnes Chester 8a 494
LATHAM Alfred Chester 8a 494
No parents listed, may have more info on FindMyPast, do not have access sorry
bapt. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCRD-HHD
sister bapt https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCRD-LMP
I think that possibly, Alfred and Paul were Latham brothers, so that would make them cousins?
Henry Stephen Latham bapt along with father Paul and Alfred is on F/S
Cas
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Do you think this might be them on 1891 census?
Alfred Latham 27 gen labourer
Agnes Latham 23
Eliza G Latham 0
Elizabeth Davies, 72 boarder widow
Edmund Davies, 10 boarder all born Hawarden
Ref RG12/2869/70/14
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Do you think this might be them on 1891 census?
Alfred Latham 27 gen labourer
Agnes Latham 23
Eliza G Latham 0
Elizabeth Davies, 72 boarder widow
Edmund Davies, 10 boarder all born Hawarden
Ref RG12/2869/70/14
I think that is spot on obv mistranscribed Elias as Eliza ?
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That's what I thought :)
So Elias is the son of Agnes Griffiths - still not sure where Henry Stephen Latham fits in?
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There is this birth, but cannot find in area/date for same Elias. Does census state male or female?
Births Sep 1890
Latham Eliza Griffiths Chester 8a 439
Read above possibly Paul and Alfred Latham were brothers? Census would maybe verify.
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Alfred parents are given as Henry Latham - Mary Hewitt, possibly maybe connected to Mary Hewitt info Carolyn gave above in first post?
Have no census access to check out.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X11J-238
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Hi Stephen could be a cousin to Elias so maybe Paul and Alfred are brothers I dont know but why would his mother say she only had one child from the marriage on the 1911 census I suppose she may have misunderstood the question ?
Carolyn
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Carolyn can you post the details you have on the parents for Henry Stephen Latham?
Is this him on the 1901 census?
Paul Latham, 33 labourer b Queensferry
Mary J 34 b Dublin
Anna 13 b Dublin
Henry S 5 b Queensferry
Ref RG13/5212/130/47
Possibly there was only one child to the marriage, There is a age gap between Anna b Dublin and Henry Stephen. Anna may not have been Pauls' child. Paul also dies 1909
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCRF-1L4
Cas
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Elias gives his age as 19 yrs and 8 months when he joins the Royal Welch Fusiliers on 15 March 1909. He's discharged in 1916, marries in 1924 and dies in 1960, so not your WWI casualty
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Thanks for that all this time we thought Elias died and Stephen lived but it was the other way round do you know who he married ? it may be another branch for me to look at
Carolyn
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Marriages Q2 1924 Birkenhead Vol 8a p1256
Ible Martha Latham
Latham Elias G Ible
Deaths Q2 1960 Wirral Vol 10a, p712
LATHAM Elias G 69
I can't see any Ible-latham children, but it's possible she was a widow?
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Births Q2 1894 Wirral Vol 8a, p451
Ible Martha
Martha Latham
Death Jun 1955 West Cheshire, Vol 10a p637
Age 61
Birth abt 1894
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Thanks for the marriage
Carolyn