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Title: Gateley
Post by: odbsmith on Friday 01 August 14 14:43 BST (UK)
Does anyone have anything on Barbara Frances R Gateley, born 2nd quarter 1908 Edmonton, Middlesex.  Don't know parents, will be sending  for cert soon, but wondered if anyone had any clues?
she married in 1929 Birmingham, Died 1964.
I think she spent time in India mid 1920s?? but cannot find her in 1911 census or travel records.
Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 01 August 14 15:08 BST (UK)
HI just wondering if she went to India shortly after birth I checked Gateley departures to India no yob shown a lot of possible infants b c 1908 plus possible siblings older, unscientific but you never know!

Keyboard86
Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: odbsmith on Friday 01 August 14 16:00 BST (UK)
Gleaning bits from old photo album, she may have sister Dorothy, father may have initials PT. She may have travelled on SS Mashobra.
lots of "may"s. Will be getting magnifier out to night see if I can decipher more scribbles!!
Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: avm228 on Friday 01 August 14 16:20 BST (UK)
father may have initials PT.

If Dad is PT, I wonder whether he might be the Patrick Thomas Gateley who married Constance Sarah Annie Ravenscroft Scrivener, 16 Apr 1907, St Thomas (Free School) Church, Calcutta.

Patrick was 50, a widower, District Inspector E.I.R., residence Dinapore, father Patrick.

Constance was 31, a spinster, residence Calcutta, father Edgar Thomas Scrivener.
Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: avm228 on Friday 01 August 14 16:30 BST (UK)
she may have sister Dorothy

There is a Dorothy Grace Gateley born in India in 1908 - parents Arthur and Katrina.

When Arthur married Katrina Adam in Dinapore in 1907 he was 23, an employee of East India Railway.  Father named as Patrick.

So Dorothy may be a granddaughter of Patrick Thomas Gateley, not a daughter.  Patrick Thomas had had several children with his first wife Grace (nee Matthews), who died at Khagole, Dinapore 11 March 1905 aged 57.

Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: odbsmith on Saturday 02 August 14 22:40 BST (UK)
From the rear of a photo that I've managed to peel off it appears that Dorothy is Dorothy Sharp.
I have lots of names but little that "glue" them together in relationship.
for example
a photo of several people, titled Edgar Dad and Nora. 
I can find Edward (father Patrick) b april 1909, and a death for Edgar b april 1909 died 1993 in Greece.
There's a Aunt Win, possibly Patricks daughter Winfred b.1882


Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: odbsmith on Wednesday 06 August 14 16:09 BST (UK)
Have ordered birth cert!
away for a few days so hopefully will get some better ideas when I have that info.
Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: odbsmith on Wednesday 13 August 14 21:55 BST (UK)
Eureka!
Barbara Frances Ravenscroft born 15th april 1908, father Patrick Thomas Gateley, Mother Constance Ravenscroft Gateley formally Scrivener. Father District Inspector East Indian Railway, India.  Birth place/ address of informant (father) 58 Palace Road, Crouch End, Edmonton, Middlesex
Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: jpgateley on Sunday 19 June 16 21:32 BST (UK)
I am the son of the Edgar Gateley who died in Greece in 1993. He had two sisters - Nora and Barbara - the former was childless, while the latter had just one daughter, also named Barbara. All three siblings lived in Birmingham, England after leaving India with their widowed mother Constance. My grandparents Patrick and Constance are definitely the individuals mentioned. 
Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: dilosh on Thursday 24 October 19 21:30 BST (UK)
Hi JP, I came across this post while researching the descendants of my 4xGGF George Ravenscroft (1765-1829) Constance is my 2nd cousin 3x removed, which I believe would make you my 4th cousin once removed.  I am a descendant of George R seniors son George born in 1804 and if I have the details right you are a descendent of his son Samuel  (1815-1975).  I hope to hear back from you but appreciate that this is a follow on from a 3 year old post.    I would love to resolve the mystery of Selina Ravenscroft - did she exist?  Supposedly she was a daughter of George senior and his second wife Anne Warry but the dates don't stack up.  Do you know anything about her?
Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: jpgateley on Wednesday 20 November 19 20:20 GMT (UK)
Hello.
Fascinating that you've identified me as a fourth cousin.
As for your request concerning Selina Ravenscroft, I cannot be of any help, seeing that my knowledge of my grandmother Constance's family back in England is non-existent - or was until your message.
John Gateley
Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: dilosh on Monday 25 November 19 20:02 GMT (UK)
Hi John

Thanks for your reply, I always appreciate making the connection.  My 3XGGF George Ravenscroft (Samuel Ravenscroft's brother) left England in the around 1824, spent some time on St Helena Island where some of his children were born and then settled in the Cape (South Africa).  He had a large family and many of his descendants are still living there.  I moved to the UK in the 1990s and settled in Scotland this year.

Where are you based?

I knew a great deal about the South African Ravenscrofts and was curious what happened to the rest of my 4xGGF's children so set out to trace as many of his descendants as I could.  That's how I found you.  His two children from his first marriage both died in infancy, I have not had any luck tracing his son and daughter from his second marriage Thomas and Selina.  My 3XGGF was the eldest from this third marriage, Emma (1807-1893) was born and died in Reading and did not marry or have children,  William (1809-1888) also of Reading married Mary Ann Briant and had two sons  William (1848-1943) and Frederick (1850-1859).  Their next son Francis died young (1810-1818) and Samuel (1815-1875) your ancestors was their youngest son. 

I have done quite a lot of research on the family and would be happy to share it. 

Best wishes
Diane

 

Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: jpgateley on Tuesday 25 February 20 20:25 GMT (UK)
Sorry to have taken so long to respond. For the last five years, I've been enjoying my retirement in Cyprus after having lived and worked in Greece for forty-one years as an educational administrator and teacher. My father, Edgar Gateley was never very forthcoming when it came to his family history: I sensed this resulted from the 'riches to rags' experience his family suffered in India following his father's bankruptcy. The South African connection you report has possibly begun to explain why there are several photos of individuals from that country and a Durban postcard in an album I have inherited covering the period 1920 to 1950. Unfortunately, the album in question is stored in our Athens home, so specific names and other details will be forwarded to you next time I visit Greece. Until then, best wishes, John Gateley
Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: dilosh on Saturday 29 February 20 15:52 GMT (UK)
Hi John

Thanks for getting back to me, I look forward to hearing more about what's in  your albums when you are next in Greece.

With Ancestry taking over Rootsweb they are planning to close the mailing lists and I  am not sure how much longer we are going to be able to stay in touch this way.

All the best
Diane

An article about the mailing lists
https://hayesgreene.blogspot.com/2020/01/rootsweb-genealogy-mailing-lists-to.html?spref=fb&fbclid=IwAR1odIHQn6ZPhBBjwrwR5UwyaDMWjerZc45Gcwz-NfJYJSc89Sn9YQeq5SA&m=1
Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: sarah on Saturday 29 February 20 16:34 GMT (UK)
Hello dilosh,

RootsChat has no connection with rootsweb mailing lists or Ancestry, so you do not need to worry.

Regards

Sarah ;)
Title: Re: Gateley
Post by: Rollo Ravenscroft on Saturday 21 August 21 11:42 BST (UK)
Hi
I have complied a webpage on the Ravenscroft family in Southern Africa All the descendants from George Ravenscroft B 1804 in Reading who married Mary Anne Weller and moved to the Cape Colony after 1835 as his son David was born on Saint Helena in 1835.
View http://www.ravenscroft.za.net/indextree.html to see family tree of SA Ravenscrofts   and view
http://www.ravenscroft.za.net to view the webpage.