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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Library and FHS Lookups => Topic started by: Marli1 on Sunday 03 August 14 12:36 BST (UK)
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Have noted a hilton and a separate cullen married in 1828 and again in 1830. Is there anyway to check to see if it was a marriage with John Cullen and Elizabeth Hilton. Have been down the garden paths for 10 years and still no sight of these two. :)
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Hi
Can you tell us where you got the info from? Which district was the marriage in?
There is a marriage in April 1828 at St Luke Finsbury between John Cullen & Mary Hearn
2 Elizabeth Hilton Marriages - July 1828 to Charles Prow or Shaw Corrall and the other in August 1828 to james Day
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Hi. Just cross ref on Roots b.m.d. :) :)
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Just cross ref on Roots b.m.d
Sorry - can you supply the web address for "Roots"
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Sorry. I was on Roots web. Which is what we are on. Marli. I wondered if anyone had access to the Westminister marriage andd baptism records. the link is on Genes Reunited.
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Hi
Do you have this couple on census if so what information does it give on their year and place of birth and where were they living (the census reference would help us to see the record). Where does the information that John Cullen married Elizabeth Hilton come from, could Elizabeth have been married previously.
We really need more information on the people you are looking for in order to help you.
Rosie
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I can't see a John Cullen marrying any Elizabeths in 1828 or +/- 10 years. :-\
Entering just the surnames Cullen and Hilton into a couple of sites finds no results either.
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Thank you Rosie and Ruskie.
John Cullen born 1837 Lincoln on his marriage Certificate in 1864 in Australia he gives Elizabeth Hilton as his mother and John Cullen as his father. My reckoning is he left England on The ship "Sunshine" arriving in Australia 1857. Having Married in 1864 these would be the names of his m+ f at that time. Genes Reunited have Cullen and Hilton and I thought it may be that the parents married there. Even though John came to Australia as a fare paying passenger and his occupation was farmer or agriculture I have been unable to link with a family over the last 10 years . The Great Gonerby Johns have been claimed to a family in US.
Would love to get some closure on this side of the family.
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If John was born 1837 in Lincoln, how have you made the step (jump!) from that to the suggestion that his parents married 1828-1830 in Westminster?
Have you found a christening for John? Did he have older siblings? Have you looked in Lincoln area for the marriage?
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Is this his birth?
Jul/Aug/Sep 1838
Lincoln
Ref 14. 388
John Cullen
Is this him in 1841?
Beckingham, Lincolnshire
James Cullen 30
Elizabeth 30
William 8
Ann 7
Harriett 5
Elizabeth 3. All above NOT born in county
John 2. Born in county
If so, it does indicate a marriage not in the Lincolshirr area after all!
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1851 has the Great gonersby family that you mention, and also the Beckingham family that I gave you for 1841.
Heres the Great Gonersby family (although now living in Deeping Fen)
Deeping Fen
John Cullen 46 ag lab bn Great Gonersby
Elizabeth 50 bn Manthorpe
Jessy Poole Cullen 15 bn GG
John Cullen 14
Samuel Cullen 12
Mary Louisa Cullen 9. All children bn GG
So you would expect that John and Elizabeth to have married in Lincolnshire.
And here is the Beckingham family
Rectory Street, Beckingham
James Cullen 40 gardener bn Avenham Nottinghamshire
Elizabeth 40 bn Yorkshire (not sure of town)
Elizabeth 14 bn Beckingham
John 12 farmers day boy bn Beckingham
Hannah 10
James 7
Sarah 5
Mary 2
I havent followed either family further forward, to see if either John is still in the UK after 1857 and thus can be ruled out.
But I still cant see why a marriage in Westminster is being looked for!!!
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:)Lizdb we exhausted all the Lincoln and surrounds. As we have a particular inherited condition and we found this linked between Middlesex and Lincoln I started to look further afield. I also have checked 10 years either way on all access I have and came up with zilch so have narrowed it to this period. As I am in Australia and I have tried to follow through with Ancestry and Other paid avenues I have decided to see if anyone may find something I can't see.
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Thank you Lizdb. Will write this down and wait for you to see if you wish to follow xMarli
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Have you followed either John forward already? You say you have "Ancestry" so have access to the same records as I have! Dont want to duplicate action!
Did your one emigrate alone, or are there any rellies on the "Sunshine" with him? Are there any other surviving documents (eg Will ) that might mention any more of his family?
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No liz I actually gave up Ancestry when I could not find him also my heritage . He immigrated alone but I gather the names Sarah,Francis, Neville , appear in his linage. He was a farmer in Australia and married into an Australian farming Family.
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The Great Gonerby Johns have been claimed to a family in US.
Is this an online tree somewhere or have you followed it through yourself. :-\
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Good question, Rosie.
You say you "gave up Ancestry when you couldnt find him" - so presumably that means that you HAVE ruled out both the GGonerby and the Beckingham Johns already? How did you rule them out?
As I said before, I dont want to go over old ground that you have already covered and spend time looking up what you have already done.
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Maybe this is how -
1861 has 2 John Cullens of the appropiate age, bn Lincolnshire.
1) Born Beckingham, now 24, now living in Warwickshire with wife Jane - so that means the Beckingham one wasnt on a ship to Australia in 1854
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2) Born Lincoln, age 22, a stone mason, now living in Leadenham as a lodger.
Is that the GG one, or is it a third John Cullen, possibly the one whose birth reg I found before, but have not successfully found in 1841 or 1851, or someone who was not brought up as a Cullen and thus not found?
All sorts of scenarios.
If he is NOT the GG one, then that lends a degree of suggestion that the GG one could have been the one that emigrated to Australia in 1854 . . .
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Did rule the Beckingham one out for marriage to Jane.
The great Gonnerby one was claimed by senator Jack in the U.S. In a family tree. The mother was Elizabeth Singleton not Hilton.
There was one thing the gggrandfather said was that the mother had links to Ireland. Have tried that avenue but could not link her with coming to England or marrying John the father in Ireland. Welcome to a tangled web. I keep going over L.DS. And shipping to see if I can pick up something also Curious fox has been good but no one has come up with anything. Sorry but thank you heaps for trying . I will muddle along and see if somehow I stumble into the right area. The other snippet was that he left England because it was something to do with a church and a falling out with his father.He was married here in the United Church of England and Ireland.
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The great Gonnerby one was claimed by senator Jack in the U.S. In a family tree. The mother was Elizabeth Singleton not Hilton.
For elimination purposes ;)
Freereg confirms a marriage between John Cullen & Elizabeth Singleton 8 December 1829. It looks as though Elizabeth Singleton dies before 1840 and he marries Elizabeth Poole a widow 14 June 1840. I wonder what her maiden name was :-\
Elizabeth (Singleton) was buried 2 March 1839 age 29.
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That links in with Jessy Poole Cullen on 1841 nicely. Looks like she was Elizabeth's from her first marriage.
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Apologies, it is a boy
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQ9V-R5R
Looks like ELizabeth's first marriage was to a Jesse Poole then.
And it looks as if she may have been nee Wilkinson :
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NV5R-QQB
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Ha,ha. Didn't see that one coming. I went through every marriage in freereg citing Either spouse and witnesses who had the name Poole . I thought I may come across something that would show the name Cullen somewhere . No luck. I still have to link our boy John to leaving England on that specific boat as it may give a n.o.k. Bravo on your skills Lizdb x
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O.k. Lizdb. You made me re look at where I started 10 years ago and I am certain we have found the family. I have found the marriage between John and Elizabeth. Did not find any more on the South Hampton Exodus of John in 1857. We have him arriving on the Sunshine in Victoria in 1857 so will have to let it go and start to reevaluate the tree. I had done it previously on a 6 metre canvas but it was burnt in the
black Saturday fires over here. So back to the drawing board. Thank you for your amazing help. :) Marli