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I'm having real trouble finding anything out about my grandfather's paternal line. If any one can help.
I have a Thomas Reynard (1887?- 1936?) married to a Sarah Ann Oak(e)s (1893-1975) who were living in north Leeds. I think his father is another Thomas Reynard born in 1849 and married to a Martha Ann Hall born 1855.
If anyone can help me with this you would be making my day! I have a few other scraps of information if they will be of any help.
Thanks.
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Hi and a warm welcome to Rootschat.
You seem uncertain about this person. Best to go one step at a time, confirming each step as you go, to make sure you dont waste a lot of time (and possibly money) following the wrong trail, or just ending up with an incorrect tree.
Have you got your Dad (or Mum's whichever it is)'s birth cert confirming the parents to be Thomas Reynard and Sarah Ann nee Oakes? Or, when you are certain this couple are the right ones, have you found their marriage and got their marriage cert - to confirm the name and occupation of Thomas's dad? HAve you found Thomas (bn 1887) on the 1901/1911 censuses? Have you found his birth on Freebmd - I guess not as you have question mark beside it.
Go one step at a time from what you know for absolute definite.
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Hi and thank you.
Yep, I'm completely sure up to this point. I have extensively researched my entire family history apart from this one line which is causing me all sorts of problems. All records just seem to have vanished for my great grandfather! He died when my grandfather was young.
Also, the question marks are there because I've found a few different records with different birth and death dates but for the same person.
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When did Thomas Reynard and Sarah Oakes marry?
And the other Thomas and MArtha HAll marry?
On 1891, is it the family living in Hurst Lancashire? All bn in Leeds?
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Hi,
There is a marriage 1901 Thomas Harris same page Martha Crampton which would fit with a 1911 entry. Is Martha Reynard and family , the family living in Wakefield on the 1901 census, and does she have a daughter Louie born 1893? If so this also fits with the 1911.
Looking on Freebmd there is a marriage1874, same page Martha Ann Hall and Joseph Crampton.
That might account for Martha Ann Hall , but obviously no Reynard surname.
There is a birth registration for a Thomas Reynard in Ashton under Lyne 1887.
Sorry not much help really
Cathy :)
The family in 1901 and the family in 1891 found by lizdb appear to be the same, I m a bit confused now :)
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1881 census
Goodwin place, Wortley
RG11/4503 117/28
Joseph Crampton head mar 31 Wool Dyer Leeds
Martha Ann " wife mar 28 "
Lily " dau 6 "
Sarah ann " dau 3 "
Ada " dau 0 Wortley
In the 1891 census in Hurst
Martha ann and Thomas Reynard have a daughter Ada aged 10 along with Thomas and other chidren
Cathy
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hi
Have found a marriage certificate online for Thomas Reynard,father Thomas Reynard deceased, and Agnes Birkenshaw 1910. one of the witnesses is Louie Reynard.
Perhaps this family is not your Thomas' family?
Sorry I m not explaining what I ve found very well, it is confusing.
Cathy
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West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
about Thomas Reynard
Name:
Thomas Reynard occupation : miner
Birth Year:
abt 1887
Age:
23
Marriage or Bann Date:
24 Sep 1910
Parish:
Sandal, St Catherine
Father's Name:
Thomas Reynard deceased
Spouse's Name:
Augusta Birkinshaw
Spouse's Father's Name:
William Henry Birkinshaw
witnesses WH Birkinshaw and Louie Reynard
Original image of the marriage entry says Augusta for the bride, and all parties signed their names
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I can't see a marriage of a Reynard Raynard/ Oaks (oakes) at all Augusta Reynard appears to die in 1924, maybe Thomas had a liason with a Sarah Oakes , but never married her ?
Free BMD has 4 Reynard births mmn Oakes all in Leeds area and between 1925 and 1935, which would fit with what Hannah Laura was saying about Thomas dying when her grandfather was young
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As has been indicated, there are several Thomas Reynards around.
How do you know that "your" Thomas (bn 1887) ' s mother was nee Hall? Presumably you havent got a birth cert showing mothers maiden name, as you havent got a definite year for his birth.
Likewise, how do you know the next Thomas's wife was Sarah nee Oakes? Again, have you got a birth cert of a child giving mothers maiden name as Oakes?
You say you are completely sure, but looking at it (and more to the point not seeing these marriages!) It really might be worth going back over it one step at a time.
Do you have your grandfathers's birth cert? That is the starting point (assuming you are sure when he was born, or can find it from his death when you were young). That will give his fathers name and his mothers along with her maiden name. We can then work from there!
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Hi,
there is a tree on ancestry that has most of what of what we ve found, I take it it is your tree.
Is it just Thomas Reynard born c1849 that you are looking for?
Cathy
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It would be so helpful if Thomas b c 1849 had ever married. It looks as though the family headed by him in 1891 is likely to have been a mix of his children with Martha and hers from the Crampton marriage.
Rough suggested chronology here, building on what's been found:
1849 (Dec qtr): Thomas Reynard b Bradford (only a possible - 1891 census says 32 born Leeds)
1855: Martha Ann Hall born, Leeds, to Isaac and Sarah. Born 29 Apr; baptised 23 Sep, St Peter, Leeds.
1874: Martha Ann Hall (father: Isaac Hall, excavator) marries Joseph Crampton, St Peter, Leeds on 7 Feb
1875: Lily Crampton born, Leeds (with dad Joseph Crampton in 1891)
1878: Sarah Ann Crampton born, Bramley/Wortley (with Joseph Crampton in 1891)
1880: Ada Crampton born, Bramley/Wortley (with the Reynards in 1891)
1881: The Cramptons are in Wortley: Joseph, Martha Ann, Lily, Sarah Ann and baby Ada
1882: Margaret Hannah Reynard born, Leeds
1884: Florence Reynard born, Leeds
1887: Thomas Reynard born, Ashton (mmn Hall, per CheshireBMD)
1889: Albert Reynard born, Ashton (mmn Hall). Born 25 Feb, baptised St John, Hurst on 1 May.
1891: Thomas Reynard and Martha Ann living as though married in Ashton, with Ada and younger children.
1891: Joseph Crampton is in Leeds, still "married" but no wife. Lily and Sarah Ann are with him.
1892: Louie Reynard born, Ashton (mmn Hall). Born 11 May; baptised at St John, Hurst on 1 June.
1899: Elsie Reynard born, Mossley (mmn Hall).
1900 (Mar qtr): Joseph Crampton dies in Leeds aged 50.
1900 (Sep qtr): Thomas Reynard dies in Ashton aged 51.
1901: Martha Ann Crampton (a widow - father: Isaac Hall, navvy, decd) marries Thomas Harris, 31 Mar, St Michael's Westgate Common (Wakefield).
1902: Elsie Reynard dies aged 2, Wakefield. Buried Alverthorpe.
1904: Margaret Reynard marries, Alverthorpe.
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Well thanks for sending me notifications that people replied to this thread roots chat.
That aside, that you all for replying.
Here's what I have:
Thomas Reynard
Born Jun 1887 in Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire
Died Jun 1936 in Leeds North, Yorkshire West Riding, England
He definitely married Sarah Ann Oakes, I have her birth certificate and their wedding certificate, and various other documents that verify her place in the family. Although he was first married to an Augusta Birkinshaw but she died in 1924, about 10 years after they married.
I then have his father, Thomas Reynard
Born about 1849 in Leeds, Yorkshire
Died July 1900 in Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire
Married to a Martha Ann Hall, born 29 Apr 1855 in Leeds, Yorkshire, I have found her parents but no mention of this Crampton although I have got an Ada as their eldest daughter having Reynard as her surname as opposed to Crampton. I don't have a Sarah Ann or a Lily as part of the Reynard family. This is really interesting. I'll have to investigate this Crampton link.
Still no sign of this mother or father though. A very mysterious family indeed. All my other roots were so much easier to discover and verify.
Thank you all for your help, sorry I didn't reply earlier.
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Hello
I just replied to a thread by Lesley Hannah (is she your sister?) regarding Charles Crampton in Leicester.
I am his great-great nephew (his brother's daughter Elsie was my paternal grandmother).
Would love to share any info on the Cramptons that might interest you.
Looking forward to your reply
Martyn Back