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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Radnorshire => Topic started by: RuthieB on Tuesday 28 June 05 16:23 BST (UK)
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I have the census details for Richard Mantle and his family from 1851-1901. They lived at Sunnybank, Llanbadarn Fynydd.But (and there's always a but), I would like some information about Edward Mantle. Edward's gravestone (at Maes-yr-helem)has the birth date of 1882, Richard died in 1879 but Edward is listed as 'son' on the 1901 census. I suppose he might have been his mother's son, but I've no idea as to his father.
I can't find a bmd entry that looks likely and £7 for a wrong guess is a bit much (spoken like a true Cardie). Any ideas anyone?
Cheers, RuthieB
Any other info about the Mantles of Radnorshire would be welcome!
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Just browsing the Radnor board and found your posting for Mantles. I can't help very much but I do have an Edith Mantle (c1890) in my tree she lived in the Dolfor/Black Hill area of Newtown, her father I think was William Mantle who married Jane George of Parbyllwyd, Llanbadarnfynydd.
Regards
David
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Hi David,
Thanks for that! I did eventually send off for Edward's birth certificate - the father is not named as I suspected.
I haven't come across any Williams in my line of Mantles, but have had news recently of some in the Newtown area that might be distant relatives, so If I find out, I'll post it here.
Best wishes
RuthieB
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hi, I'm from llanbadarn fynydd, i live by sunnybank.
I am a relative of the former Mr mantle of sunnybank. if you
would like any help i would be happy to help you justget in touch.
kirst
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Oh my goodness!!!
I live in Lampeter nowadays so not so very far away! Are you related to Edward Davies Mantle?
he was my gg uncle - Sarah Mantle (married to James Lewis then Richard Jones) was my great grandmother.
OOh, this is so exciting!!
RuthieB
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Do you have an email adress, as i would be happy to take photos of sunnybank and send them to you. i have never looked back in to the Mantles family history, but will now ask, the only living Mantle from sunnybank, Johnny Mantle, he is my second cousin. my dads auntie married Regianald Mantle, they had two chrildren, Johnny, and Alun, only Alun hung himself in 1976, aged 28.
yours kirst
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Hi,
I saw your messages on roots chat and wondered if we may have some family history in common.
In researching my family tree i have come across an ELIZABETH MANTLE and her parents RICHARD MANTLE born 1740 and his Wife CATHERINE STEPHENS born 1743. in the llanbadarn Ffynydd area. Elizabeth married a THOMAS MORGANS and they went on to have a son RICHARD MORGANS born 1798 in the llanbadarn area. Later the family drifted towards Mochdre and Kerry where the Morgans married into the Bowen and Smouts families. some place names i have found for them are Prysg near Beguildy ane Yerchan (Irchyn) Dolfor. Does any of this ring any bells?
Jan
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Janice
I'll send you a PM, but yes, it looks as though we share the same Mantles
Ruth
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Hi Ruth
Thankyou for replying to me. Yes I would love to see a copy of Richard's birth certificate and photos of the area.
My Nan and her mother were born in Mochdre, and I know that area farely well as I went to school in Newtown. but I now live in yorkshire with my family. I have some photographs of my Nan, her mother, my great great grand Mother (Elizabeth Bowen) if you are interested. I am not familiar with this site. And i'm not sure how to send them to you. Can you help...?
all the best janice
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I believe Richard Morgans to be my GGGrandfather.I believe he married Martha of Weeg Dolvor'.Their daughter Mary b 1830 second marriage was to Edward Stephens of Mochdre.Any information welcomed .GCheers, George
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Hi!
I'm not sure if i can be much help but here is what i have on the Mantles.The oldest people in my tree are Ricard Mantle Born 1755 Llanbadarn Ffynydd, Radnorshire - died 1806, . He married a Catherine Stephens born 1753 L.F. died 1824.
Their Daughter Elizabeth Mantle was born about 1772 LF. She married a Thomas Morgans born 1768 L.F. Their children were Thomas (No date) Richard 1798 and John 1800 - 1875. ( There were probably more). Thomas married Elizabeth Mantle on 10 May 1793 LF. Thomas and Elizabeth had a son called Richard Morgans B 1798 and as you know he married a Martha (I don't know her Maiden name) born 1793. I think they lived at Prisg (Prisk) near Beguildy and Yr Irchwyn near Weeg Dolfor.I think that possibly martha died quite young and Richard married again but this is just a possible- i have no proof. Anyway They had a Son called John Morgan (the S has gone) Born 1836 - 1913. Other children were Elizabeth 1821. Thomas 1826. Mary 1830. Richard 1833. John my ancestor married Elizabeth Bowen. in Mochdre.The Bowens lived at Digwm Mochdre. Their daughter Mary Elizabeth married William Edward Powell and she is my great Grandma.
I hope this is some help. Let me know if i can tell you any thing more. Likewise- if you have any other info on Mantles, Stephens or Morgans, please let me know!
All the Best - Jan
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Hi Jan,Thanks for your reply.Forefathers of Richard Morgan unknown to me .Thank you.John Stephens c1899 of Mochdre married Rachel Owens of Kerry/Mochdre.Children are Edward Stephens married Mary Morgan .Her 1 st marriage was to (unknown) Pugh.Edward and Mary are my G.Grandparents.John Stephens 1822 m. Mary Morgans 1823.The Morgans farmed Trawscoed in Mochdre.Rachel S.1828 m. David Rees 1821 Monts.Richard S.1832 m Jane Evans 1828 of Llanwnog.Mary S.1844 m Thomas Mantle 1845 of Llanbadarn Fynydd.They had 9 children ..He is Grandson of Evan Mantle of L.F.(If not known put "Chapter1-The Mantles in your toolbar". Very interesting article).Thomas S. 1834,David S. 1830 ,William S.1826,Thomas 1834.Richard Morgans second wife is Elizabeth (unknown) 1798 of Llanwydellan .Cheers , George
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Hello again,
Thankyou for the information, and for letting me know about The Mantles chapter 1 - very interesting!! Sorry to be a bit dim, but the John Stephens c. 1899 who married Rachel Owens -you told me about. Is he related in any way to my Catherine stephens? (married to richard mantle) Also thanks for confirming what i suspected - that Richard Morgans did have a wife after martha named elizabeth. Do you know anything more about her or1st Wife Martha?? I was wondering if my Evan Mantle (Son of richard Mantle and Catherine stephens) born about 1780 ish could be one and the same as the oldest Evan Mantle on the Mantles chapter 1 list ? i.e the one who married Mary biston. 1800. There are so many Evan Mantles that i get completely confused!
Anyway Thankyou again
Best wishes - Jan
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ruthieB,
Edward is described as "son" in 1901.
Edward Mantle, age 9, is also described as "son" on the 1891 census. Also listed, and again clearly described, is David Davies, age 9, "grandson".
If Edward was Richard's son, he should also be described as "grandson" to indicate relationship to head of household.
There are 2 birth registrations that might be of interest which you may have identified already-
Jun 1880 Edward Mantle Knighton 11b 149
Dec 1881 Edward Davies Mantle Knighton 11b 137
However, the legendary reluctance of "Cardies" to put hand in pocket might preclude sending for either or, heaven forfend, both!!!
regards
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Fascinating to read these messages (some from people with whom I'm already in contact) about so many people in my tree. (I'm descended in two ways from Richard Mantle and Catherine Stephens). Like Jan I suspect that the oldest Evan Mantle in 'The Mantle Trail' might be the oldest son of Richard and Catherine, who is mentioned in Richard's will. There is a baptismal record for an illegitimate Evan Stephens, son of Catherine, in Llanbadarn Fynydd in 1772 (R and C married in 1774). No connections (so far!) found between Catherine's family and the Stephens of Mochdre.
The first husband of Mary Morgan(s) (dau of Richard M. and Martha - whose surname I would love to know!)- was Stephen Pugh (Newtown, Civil Marriage, 1849); he died in 1862. Their son William Pugh (b. 1856) helpfully turns up in the 1901 census as the nephew of John Morgan, the son of Richard and Martha. All I know about Richard's second wife is what the 1861 census says (Elizabeth, b. abt 1796, Llanwyddelan). Hope to learn more!
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Hi,Correction.John Stephens is 1799 and Rachel Owen 1799-1876 married 1822 in Mochdre.John died before 1851.I agree with Glahrhyd Evan Mantle senior is probably related ,but how.There are Stephens in Mochdre predating John. I have no evidence of am L.F.link.Cheers,George
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To George: John Stephens died 1 May 1848 - there is a memorial in Mochdre Parish Church.
All best, g.
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Thanks glanrhyd,Although I have visited Mochdre Church many times I do not recall seeing his gravestone.This may interest some-William Owen and Mary Owen (this may be single name) had Rachel b. 1798,William b.1791.Thomas b.1794.Sarah b.1796.Ebenezer b.1801, Miriam b.1803.Children born in Mochdre.(igi records).Rachel married John Stephens.Ebenezer married Anne Lewis in 1830 in Mochdre.I believe William and Mary were of Mochdre.Further information appreciated. Cheers,George
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Hello George,
Sorry, I wasn't quoting from the grave itself but from the excellent booklet of Memorial Inscriptions for Mochdre published by the Montgomeryshire Genealogical Society. The inscription also records John's wife Rachel's death on 4 April 1876. Strangely, though, the parallel booklet of Burials 1813-78 refers to the burial of John Stephens of Congley (aged 48) on May 6 1847 (not 1848). Perhaps the stone was not erected until after his widow's death and a mistake was made about the year...
Best wishes, g.