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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cambridgeshire => Topic started by: maddys52 on Saturday 09 August 14 12:19 BST (UK)
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Would it be possible for someone to look at the 1841 and 1851 census, I'm trying to find Thomas SYKES b around 1795, living in Witcham, possibly born in Elsworth. I know that his children Edward (1817), Anthony (1818), Lucy (1821) and Thomas (1824) were all born in Witcham to his wife Elizabeth, but there may be a second wife Ann and more children born between 1827 and 1838.
thanks in advance.
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Hi
Think this is him in 1841 at Witcham : address: High Street
Thomas Sykes 45 Ag Lab
Ann 40
Lucy 15
Thomas 15
James 10
George 10
William 5
Henry 5
John 3 All born in county
Class: HO107, Piece 84, Book 4, Civil Parish~ Witcham.
claire
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1851 census has a Thomas Sykes born c1800 Elsworth living in Huntingdonshire, with wife Ann and niece, none of the younger kids are there, so not sure if this is your man.
There is a death of a Thomas Sykes March Qtr. 1846 Ely, which covers Witcham district.
A remarriage in 1849 of an Ann Sykes to a Phillip Papworth, she can be found in the 1851 census in Witcham with new husband Phillip and his two children and her son 13 year old John SYKES.
Class HO107, Piece 1764, Folio 162, Page 6.
claire
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Had Thomas died bef 1851 census?
and did Ann remarry?
Marriage freeBMD
Sept qtr 1849
Ely
on same page
Ann Sykes
Phillip Papworth
14 109
1851
Backside Witcham Cambs
Phillip Papworth head M 56 Miller employing 1 man Broughton Hunts
ANN Papworth wife 54 Wingham Cambs
William Papworth son 15 at home Bluntisham Hunts
Samuel Papworth son 12 Bluntisham Hunts
JOHN SYKES son in law 13 ag lab Witcham Cambs
HO107 1764 162 6
Suz
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apoogies clare for duplicating most of your information - it took me so long to post -kept losing it - not liking laptop
Suz
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Thank you so much Clare and Suz! That certainly seems the right family in 1841, and sounds very like Thomas must have died before 1851 when Ann remarries - I'll try to check the 1846 death of Thomas Sykes, sounds like him.
Shame though I was really hoping to find out where Thomas was born - haven't been able to find any birth records for him, only the one born in Elsworth which doesn't seem likely now. Also haven't found any death records for Elizabeth, although she must have died sometime between 1824 and 1826 around Witcham, at least the census shows I'm on the right track. Thanks again :)
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Hi
Thomas's burial record
Thomas SYKES buried 25 Jan 1846 St Martins Witcham, aged 51.
claire
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Oh that's great, thanks again Claire! Everyone on this forum is so helpful! I don't suppose you can see a death for Elizabeth Sykes around 1824-1826? (Hope it's not too rude to ask?)
Maddy
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Cambs Burial Index 1801-37 can be found at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/searchsd.cfm but I can't see a burial of an Elizabeth Sykes in 1824-7
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I've checked my fiche of Witcham PRs and there are no Sykes burials there before 1836.Is it possible that Thomas was only married once-to Ann Cann and that for some reason her name was given as Elizabeth in the PRs for the baptism of the earlier children? One of the reasons why I am suggesting this is that the 1851 census says that Ann Papworth was born in Willingham and there is a marriage of Thomas Sykes to Ann Cann there in 1816.
You may not find a baptism for Thomas-lots of non-conformists in that area even back then and they don't go in for infant baptism.
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You need the marriage cert for Ann Sykes' marriage to Philip Papworth which will give her father's name. With a missing marriage to Elizabeth c 1816; a missing burial of Elizabeth and a missing marriage c1827 to Ann there's got to be another explanation!
David
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According to the Parish records her father was Anthony Catton, horse farrier.
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Thanks Anneb and David, although I think I'm getting more confused again! I was starting to wonder if "Elizabeth" was the same person as "Ann", although it would be hard to establish unless I can find any marriage records.
Unfortunately (for me), I think the Thomas Sykes who married Ann Cann at Willingham in 1816 was born in Elsworth and appears to be still living in 1851 at Huntingtonshire, so not my Thomas.
I guess my Thomas whilst born in Cambridgeshire around 1795 (according to 1841 census) wasn't necessarily married there - Elizabeth could have been from anywhere and married there? Or maybe he and Elizabeth weren't married, there is a death of Elizabeth Atkin (age 27) at Witcham in 1826? (Thanks David for the link to the Cambridgeshire Index) But where's the marriage for Thomas and Ann (Catton - thanks Anneb) around this time? Oh I'm going round in circles again!
You're right David, there must be another explanation ???
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Just looked at the marriage of Ann Sykes (Catton) and Philip Papworth on Free reg and noticed one of the witnesses Elizabeth Hitch - Thomas and Elizabeth's daughter Lucy married Mark Hitch (mother Elizabeth), so more evidence that Ann Catton married my Thomas Sykes. Wish I knew where Elizabeth and Ann married Thomas ...
Thanks again for everyone's help :)