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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Finley 1 on Monday 11 August 14 06:11 BST (UK)
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I am going to have to go a long way to verify this but I thinks I have found my 14th g.granpop...
How lovely..
Symon Pytt 1557
Francis Pitt 1592
Oliver Pitt 1606
Thomas Pitt 1625
Thomas Pitt 1657
William Pitt 1677
William Pitt 1690
Mark Pitt 1717
Job Pitt 1735
Elizabeth Pitt 1768
Mary Dale 1792
Thomas Haywood 1823
Emma Haywood 1848
Walter Haywood 1877
Maud Haywood 1897
my mother
and me
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xin
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I go back to about the same time era - but only to 11th Great-Grandfather on my paternal line!
And 12th Great-Grandfather on my mother's side!
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wow that's good going, only managed to get back to 1750s on my dads side and 1720s on my mums about 5th great granddads. Lots of research still to do yet.
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Yes - 'all' the other sides only go back between 5 and 7 gens.. So this one is great.
:)
xin
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Very impressive.
Tiny bit of envy at this end........
I am back to proven 1755 on one very helpful stem of OH. This is because said family all were born at the right time for the censuses , all got married or died with burial records and then helpfully back before 1837 lived in one parish where the parish records are full with things like baptisms saying 1st son, 2nd daughter etc. I am very lucky with this one.
As for the other branches ::)
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Wow!! :o
Good luck with that xin :)
Frank.
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Well done!!
However, my OH would say 'why haven't you found the 15th Gt Grandfather yet?'
Aaargh!!
Rishile
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:) :) :)
well I havent looked for them yet :) shall I ??? maybe I will.
But not until this lot have got some documentation of some kind.....
most of this was on Family search... so must be almost correct... none off ancestry 'trees' ooooh think I will have a peep on there to see if anyone else has them.. Might find a rellie close to home :)
xin
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Now far be it from me to copy a tree on Anc or anywhere else .... BUT
I had a quick browse and found ------ a tree that follows the Pitt/Pytt line allllll the way to 1160!!!
now this is a Gervase de la Puette.... so hows about that...
For me to add that lot to mine, it will take a week of Sundays to verify... :)
still interestin though
:)
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Well done xin ! A marvellous achievement, keep going . Sue
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Well done Xin!
Where were your Pitts?
I've been able to get back quite a way on a couple of my lines -- some areas' surviving records are fuller than others!
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Well they are the crowd that lead me to my Haywoods in Barwell :) They are mostly from Dudley and Worcestershire - Staffordshire way.
:)
xin
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The only thing to concern me, Xin, is that Francis Pitt appears to only be 14 when son Oliver born!!
Annette
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I am going to have to go a long way to verify this but I thinks I have found my 14th g.granpop...
How lovely..
Symon Pytt 1557
Francis Pitt 1592
Oliver Pitt 1606
Thomas Pitt 1625
Thomas Pitt 1657
William Pitt 1677
William Pitt 1690
Mark Pitt 1717
Job Pitt 1735
Elizabeth Pitt 1768
Mary Dale 1792
Thomas Haywood 1823
Emma Haywood 1848
Walter Haywood 1877
Maud Haywood 1897
my mother
and me
:)
xin
Well done, keep plodding :o ;D
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The only thing to concern me, Xin, is that Francis Pitt appears to only be 14 when son Oliver born!!
Annette
Well the little 'tinker' :)
Like I said I have to verify and go over it alllll again just to check. Most of it is from IGI and family search. So should be right, but who knows.... :) I made an appointment with Dr. Who :) a little journey with him and it will all be sorted.
xin :)
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Also William Pitt (the Elder!) who appears to be 13 when his son William was born?
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Well done! To get back to the 16th century is an amazing achievement.
The furthest back I have got is to around 1680 with one line among my English ancestors, to my 9th great grandfather and my 10th on a different but connected English line. In Scotland I have got back to 1758 in Fife. As one might expect, the best I've been able to achieve with my Irish ancestry is a pitiful 1839 :(
With my German (Pomeranian) ancestors I have thus far only got back to the 1850s!
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I wish I could get further back with my Staffs rellies; I'm stuck around 1800 or so with more than one line :(
On the other hand I can get back to 1550 in Grantham with Robert Fraunces (only my 11gt grandfather though, they didn't pack in the generations as much as your lot Xin!) and I'm happy with the facts there because I've gone through the PRs myself.
In Notts I can get back to Thomas Suger who was my 13 gt-grandfather; I know nothing about him except for the birth of some of his children 1573-1589. I found the will of one of his sons so again I'm happy with the relationships. My only qualm is that I haven't got definite correlation a couple of generations later on. Maybe one day ---
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The only thing to concern me, Xin, is that Francis Pitt appears to only be 14 when son Oliver born!!
Annette
These things did happen! I have a 14-year-old dad in my tree in 1877... explains why my great-grandmother refused to speak about her parents... ::)
Xinia - well done. It's a great feeling to get a line back that far.
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Thanks
but I shall only be really pleased when I actually have some kind of documentation or something - so it will be a long long time, before it is alllllllll verified... Unless of course, I become totally famous overnight and they want 'ME' for wdytya ;D ??? ;D ::)
xin
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Got back on my husband's line to his 13th Gt Grandfather who died in 1556. He must have been born during the last decade of the 15th Century. Unfortunately the relevant Parish Registers don't now exist before the mid to late 17th Century so I've had to rely on Wills along with some other reliable documentation. I'm quite happy with the results so far although I have one or two doc's left to examine. I have been lucky that I have had at least 10 relevant Wills to draw on.
Verification and doing the leg work is the best bit in my opinion. You are lucky, I've never got very far using Family Search.
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Yes it is the only line, I have had that much 'luck' with -- a lot of the research I did before family search became as it is today and the old fashioned much easier igi was available online...
Besides there is an abundance of 'Pitts' so -- easy name to follow - finding EXACTLY correct parent not so easy, I think I have a Frances for a Francis up there in the list. But will sort it..
e v e n t u a l l y :) :)
xin
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I've got back to one of my 16 x g.grandfathers born 1360, but that is only because the family way back was very wealthy so there are records available in National Archives, Burkes Peerage, Chancery Court proceedings etc. and, of course parish records. I also have lots of wills, one or two of which I can barely read but I can make out the names of the children. Of course, once my ancestors stopped being the 1st son of the 1st son their wealth dropped off and although most of them had a good trade my 3 x g.grandfather was only a labourer and died in the workhouse.
Following other lines that married into the one above I've got back even further as many of the men were Knights and Lords so there's lots of info about them in Oxford Dictionary of National Biography and other sites but although the info is in print, I've not verified it personally and I'm not sure how I could do that. From various pieces of literature I believe that my 22nd x g.grandfather accompanied King John to Runnymede where he was one of the 25 witnesses to the signing of the Magna Carta.
Ironically I can't trace my one of my g.grandfather's origins and he was only born about 1858 :'(
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With the help of a tree held in Societe Jersiaise in St Helier I have been able to back to the 14 hundreds just after the family came from Normandy to settle.Initially on enquiring a few years ago they emailed me a copy but recently I saw the actual tree of the Le Cronier family.
It was also interesting to find out that for generations they were privateers.
Ringrose
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From various pieces of literature I believe that my 22nd x g.grandfather accompanied King John to Runnymede where he was one of the 25 witnesses to the signing of the Magna Carta.
As I mentioned I think it's difficult to verify what is available on line when it refers to something so far back. Having written the above I re-checked the details and found it wasn't my 22 x g.grandfather who witnessed the Magna Carta but another man of the same name. Nevertheless, my 22 x g.grandfather was still an important man at the time and was an Earl.
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My 12X great grandfather on my mother's side was William Cockerton bc 1530 probably in Cambridgeshire. On my father's side, IF (and I have tried since 1996!) I can demolish an illegitimacy brickwall in the 1770s I can go back 21 generations to Robert Metyer b in Dorset c 1300. And if I can prove a connection to the Black Prince then i can get right back to William I Duke of Normandy. One thing in favour I know I have the Nordic Gene, so maybe!!
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A friend of mine put all my research into some perspective when she informed me that her ancestors were influential at the Chinese court (she is from Brunei but of Chinese origin) and her tree can be traced back to 200BC, although the first 400 years or so are not written down. She has a transcript, but it is in classical Chinese, something that is about as understandable in that culture as Anglo-Saxon is in our own.
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Not sure how many generations without checking, and again, needs verifying, but I'm back to 1460. A right lot of rogues they seem to have been over the centuries, too. At least two generations were involved in cattle rustling and were mentioned by a local landowner when defending himself in the Star Chamber court.
On the other hand, there are also hard-working wheelwrights in there, a marriage to a rather famous detective and another marriage to a family who claim to be able to trace their lineage back to Edward IV, so I guess I'm probably a 'collateral descendant' of Richard III - but then who isn't? ;)
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Great x14 is pretty impressive.
I have quite a few Great x13 ... but have only very recently broken through into great x14 and all of them are necessarily tentative. Only one of my great x13s is a rock solid line with no tentative links in the chain. Quite a few more like that at great x12.
I'm now going through a consolidation phase ... trying to firm up as much as I can on the intermediate generations. There are plenty of ancestors for whom I can find out more, which will hopefully given me a better base for the next push to find more remote ancestors.
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If I can get over a brickwall in the 1770s I am back to 1300. Wonderful I am sure the lady concerned who had an interesting lifestyle was my 3xggm but can't prove it.My lot at STar Chamber twice. Printed and transcribed one set of documents about sheep rustling. Fits the general family profile!!
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Bear in mind that if any one of the 14 great grannies in this impressive line back, was a bit of a girl and fell by the wayside just one time, :) (hormones being what they are), the lineage is somewhat suspect!
Skoosh.
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That in a nutshell Skoosh is the nub of the problem. At least the Y chromosome checks out from1776 onwards,
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So kept it in the family then? :)
Skoosh.
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When my husbands great grandfather retired, he toured the country going through parish records and tracing his family history back. Thanks to him, and the fact that there was some 'nobility' in his family line, my husband has part of his family history back to about 1280.
I believe that gets him back to his 19th great grandfather. He even has a family crest ... I'm very jealous.
I however have no nobility on my family, so I'll be lucky to trace anything back past 1800 on some branches.
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I however have no nobility on my family, so I'll be lucky to trace anything back past 1800 on some branches.
I'm the same, Kelly.
Look at it this way ... you're still in the ascendant, whilst his family's on the skids LOL
As well as the ubiquitous Labourers (Agricultural, General and unqualified) I'm descended from butchers and bakers and basketmakers, shepherds, coachmen, hawkers, licensed victuallers, omnibus drivers, a scavenger (who became a public convenience attendant in later life), a bankrupt dealer in hooves, horns and manure, loads and loads and LOADS of bootmakers and shoemakers, drapers, railway clerks, a City of London policeman. a vellum binder, the occasional farmer and a Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society.
And I love 'em all!!! So what if they're not noble and haven't a Grant of Arms between them? They're my ancestors. That's all that matters to me.
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My tree is virtually entirely working class I am very pleased to say.Obviously my ancestors did a very thorough job!!
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Redroger & jbml,
you should be proud. You have got a rich and exciting tree - compared to nobility: One boring chamberlain after another and the earls are numbered ...
Rather critical are the inbreeding trees of the higher nobility:
Ludwig II. of Bavaria had 14 ancestors, where we have 128, a poor man - or:
Ferdinand I of Austria "the Good" > "Gütinand der Fertige" (Goodinand the Finished):
... epilepsy, hydrocephalus, neurological problems, and a speech impediment.
The Prince of Wales has more than 1,7 million lines to Charlemagne in his tree, but he has ministers from Palatinate as ancestors and very close relatives, who took part in the Polish and German uprisings of 1830 and 1849!
Regards
Rudolf
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Yes ... and there are some really moving stories in there, too. Like my great great grandmother Emily Cass Stephenson (nee Holcomb). She was born in the East End of London in 1860. Her father died when she was 7. Her mother went into service in a village just outside Newmarket (where she had grown up) and Emily and her sister were sent to live with their grandparents (one with each pair).
Emily went to live with Ambrose and Sarah Frost at the Swan Inn in Exning. Her grandfather Ambrose died when she was 9, and her grandmother Sarah when she was 15. She then joined her sister living with her other grandparents, Anthony and Martha Holcomb, in Chippenham (not the one in Wiltshire, but another village to the North of Newmarket). Two years later, Martha Holcomb died too (Anthony, however, was to live for another 30 years, and didn't die until he was 98 and a great great grandfather!!)
In 1883 Emily became pregnant to Charles James Christopher Stephenson, the son of a Newmarket baker. She went to London and became a barmaid at an inn in Camberwell, and it is here that her daughter Myrah Cass Stephenson Holcomb was born. She then married Myrah's father (in Hendon, for some reason ... still a bit of detective work to do to figure out why) and they returned to the Newmarket area, taking a pub in a village South of Newmarket where they were licensed victuallers and bakers (each, no doubt, contributing their own particular expertise to the venture). The young Myrah Cass Stephenson Holcomb simply dropped the "Holcomb" family name after her parents were married. If asked, her parents could truthfully say that she had ALWAYS been called Myrah Cass Stephenson (the truth and nothing but the truth ... just not the whole truth) thereby concealing the illegitimacy (and also, I should say, making it a devil of a job to piece this one together: in both of her childhood censuses Myrah is somewhere other than with her parents, and is listed as May not Myrah. They don't always make it easy for us, do they?)
Myrah in due course married my great grandfather Frank Whitney Hardwick, and in due course my own mother was named Myra (but without the ~h) after her grandmother.
I really feel for my great great grandma Emily. I think she had a tough time. But I also sense ... although I cannot really explain why ... that for all that, she was happy in life!
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You rightly talk of inbreeding; whilst I cannot (fortunately) compare with royalty or aristocracy on this issue I am well aware of the effects of inbreeding in many country villages in the 19th century and earlier. On my mother's side I am my own 4th cousin!! This due to the oldest son of a family member in the 18th century marrying the youngest sister of his father!! Quite illegal in English and Canon Law; but it happened and happened frequently. It does account for some marriages happening away from the home village. In other cases the local clergy don't seem to have bothered that much.
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One grannie & one eyebrow? ;D
Skoosh.