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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: Hampshire Lass on Monday 18 August 14 22:26 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I know very little of how to research Irish records but have made some use of rootsireland in the past (no luck in this instance though)
I'm looking into a family who have roots in Armagh although they end up in Sussex.
From newspaper reports of a family marriage and an obituary they both refer to the fact that they were from Castle Dillon, Armagh. From what little I can discover of Castle Dillon it seems to me that it's a property in Armagh.....not a town/village.
Please can anyone tell me the best place to find possible baptisms for the 2 children concerned who were born in 1839 and 1844. Also a marriage for the father, who also says he is from Castle Dillon :)
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Hi,
See http://colincolleranphotographer.com/castle-dillonco-armagh/ If you give us some names and approximate dates we may be able to help.
Regards
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You can see if any of the names here are of interest
http://www.rootschat.com/links/019i3/
These are owners, lease holders of land / houses so if your families worked and lived in Castle Dillon they won't appear but they may have family in the area.
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That's a very interesting site kingskerswell. thank you :)
From the information I have......Thomas John McConnell, born 1810 Armagh, was a Carpenter and on his death in 1889, says he is from Castle Dillon.
I believe his children are Thomas John McConnell, born 1839, Armagh. He is also a Carpenter.
and Elizabeth McConnell, born 1844,Armagh. Her marriage announcement says she is from Castle Dillon.
That's also an interesting link Sinann. There is a name that's rung bells...McCullough....I think there is a grandchild (or niece or nephew) on one of the censuses with that surname. Will have to check but I think they're also from Armagh.
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There are a number of Churches / parishes in the vicinity of Castle Dillon which may hold records of your ancestors, the nearest would be Grange, Richhill, Kildarton, Kilmore & Loughgall.
St Aidans, Grange was the church of the Mollineaux family of Castle Dillon house so would be a possibility for a marriage if your ancestor actually lived at the house, as a servant or suchlike.
There is a gravestone at St Aidans, Grange as follows:
In affectionate remembrance of Mary McConnell late of Castledillon who departed this life 27th Feb 1871 aged 56 years.
My own family were from the area, many worked at Castle Dillon & I have searched all of the above church records both by visiting the churches and at PRONI who have microfilm for some of them. Some of the records may be online by now but I am not sure about that or which site/s.
More interestingly my 2 x great grandmother was Mary McConnell. She married John Creaney in the late 1830s but I have never been able to find the marriage. In my research I found a baptism in the books of Kilmore Parish Church for Mary McConnell in 1818, parents David McConnell & Mary, so Kilmore would be another possibility.
Very interesting link Kingskerswell, I was there a few months ago and took a number of similar photos of the old ruin. A real shame to see the place in this state, imagining the hustle & bustle of the place when my ggf was the butler and other relations were footman, coachman and a variety of servants.
Best of luck in your research Hampshire Lass.
tc
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Hi HL
I too have been researching McConnells from Armagh - but from the south of the county so likely no connection to yours - I have hit a brick wall in the mid 1800s so you never know!
Anyway in research I came across documents in PRONI (I haven't viewed them) which relate to a Moses McConnell Co Armagh and his friendship with General Molyneaux in the 1790s - not sure if this General Molyneaux was connected to the family at Castle Dillon but might be worth a look if anyone you know is going to PRONI
Good luck in the search
Plumpy
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I have now looked at the death cert of Mary McConnell on the headstone I mentioned above. She was married but her husband wasn’t named. However she is described as wife of a carpenter.
You say that your ancestors, Thomas John jnr & snr were both carpenters it would seem that there is a good chance that Thomas John snr was the husband of said Mary.
You can view the death cert on the GRONI site https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/ for a small fee.
tc
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Thank you tc and Plumpy :)
Thomas John jnr is in Sussex in 1861 and that's the first I have on him.
Thomas John remarried in Sussex in 1877 and that's the first I have on him.
I've tracked both of them thereafter. Don't know who Thomas John jnr's mum is though. Thought his baptism would be good and maybe a burial for his mum.
Your replies have given me food for thought. I'll mull things over......maybe (big maybe) Mary McConnell who died in 1871 is his mum.
Where could I get a death cert from for Ireland?
modified post....
Oooh tc, you typed your reply as I typed mine.......Thank you so much....looking very good ;D
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You can view the death cert on the GRONI site https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/ for a small fee.
tc
Hi tc, does this mean that the death certificate can be viewed online? Or do they post it to you?
I've registered with the site but now I'm a bit confused ::)
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Yes you can view it online & if you are clever you can copy it to your computer. As well as registering you need to buy some credits, you will need (5 credits) £2.00 to view the certificate. What you get is an uncertified certificate which is 100% as good as a certified copy which is £15.00.
When you have your credits go to Homepage & under Search registrations select search for a death registration, the rest is self explanatory. When you find the right entry there are 3 options, Enhanced which is a partial transcription, Full which is the certificate for 5 credits, Order certificate is the £15.00 version. So select Full.
Unfortunately civil registration of marriages commenced in 1845 & births & deaths from 1864. With Thomas jnr being born in 1839 his birth & parents marriage were long before civil registration so church records are your only option to get back further.
Looking at the 1861 census entry for Thomas Jnr for clues, did you see he is down as the nephew of the head of house “John Wreen”. A very uncommon name and very difficult to read on Ancestry, I really wonder if it is not something else. If you use FindMyPast see what name they are reading it as. The importance of this is that it may indicate the maiden of his mother.
Do you have Thomas snr’s 1889 death cert? I have looked but can’t see it.
tc
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Hi tc, sorry I took a while to respond :)
Yes, I did notice that Thomas is said to be the nephew on the 1861 census. I'm bearing that in mind but am not convinced after researching John and Harriet Wren in greater depth. I may find it to be so at a later stage but I'm feeling that perhaps he's just a close friend and not a relative.
I also found the death record for Thomas in 1889 but haven't sent for the death certificate. He died in Hastings, June qtr , 1889, age 79 .I found a report of his death in the local paper, which was interesting.
Thanks so much for your help. It's good to have made some progress. :)
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Hi HL
I too have been researching McConnells from Armagh - but from the south of the county so likely no connection to yours - I have hit a brick wall in the mid 1800s so you never know!
Anyway in research I came across documents in PRONI (I haven't viewed them) which relate to a Moses McConnell Co Armagh and his friendship with General Molyneaux in the 1790s - not sure if this General Molyneaux was connected to the family at Castle Dillon but might be worth a look if anyone you know is going to PRONI
Good luck in the search
Plumpy
General Sir Thomas Molyneux 5th Bart was the 4th son of the Rt.Hon. Sir Capel Molyneux 3rd Bart.
When his half brother Sir Capel Molyneux 4th Bart died in December 1832 in Dublin, he inherited Castledillon and went to live there with his daughter Maria, who had married John Graves the son of Rear Admiral Samuel Graves from Castle Dawson. He had previously been living in Cheltenham, where his wife and his elder son Capel had died. Another of his sons and a grandson also became Generals in the Army. However if your date of 1790 is correct that would be the time that Thomas Molyneux was a Major in the Army. He died in Dublin in November 1841 and his youngest son George became the 6th Bart, dying young in 1848, after rebuilding Castledillon.
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St Aidans, Grange was the church of the Mollineaux family of Castle Dillon house so would be a possibility for a marriage if your ancestor actually lived at the house, as a servant or suchlike.
Very interesting link Kingskerswell, I was there a few months ago and took a number of similar photos of the old ruin. A real shame to see the place in this state, imagining the hustle & bustle of the place when my ggf was the butler and other relations were footman, coachman and a variety of servants.
Best of luck in your research Hampshire Lass.
tc
If I remember correctly the Census at Burlington Street, Bath, Somerset, which was the home of John Graves and his wife Maria (nee Molyneux), two of their servants were recorded as been born at Castle Dillon. I will try to look this up for you and it is most interesting that many of your family worked there, however after Sir Capel Molyneux 7th Bt., died the house was let for a number of years and one of the tenants was the Beresford family