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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: PinkFairy7 on Saturday 23 August 14 12:09 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Iv just finished looking up UK ancestors and now looking into Australia ancestors so im new to the systems we use to looking up Australia ancestors.
Im trying to figure out who Hilda Elizabeth Charles father is?
Hilda was born on the 27.01.1907 her mother was Elizabeth. I found her birth certificate on QLD BDM (haven't ordered it tad expensive for me) and it says mother Elizabeth Charles but no detail of the father.
I have a family tree that has been done up with in the family that says Elizabeths dad was Andrew Charles and her mother Naomi. unfortunately that all the information I have.
Does anyone know anything of the family or know how else I might be able to find out who her father is?
thanks millions in advance
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The birth registration in 1907 with no father named indicates that Hilda was the illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth CHARLES. I think that Elizabeth was possibly the daughter of Andrew CHARLES and Naomi ROWLINGS/RAWLINGS and so they were Hilda's grandparents, not her parents.
Queensland BDMs are free to search online.
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=births
Debra :)
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QLD Marriage 1924 C3789 Robert Francis Farrell and Hilda Elizabeth Charles
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Hi there Pink Fairy,
Yes, Qld BDM online index does NOT include a father’s name for Hilda Elizabeth, and provides Hilda’s mother’s name as Elizabeth CHARLES. This suggests to me that Hilda’s birth certificate does NOT include details of a marriage for her parents. If that is the case, then it is very unlikely that Hilda’s father will be identified on that birth certificate UNLESS HE attended to the registration himself, and nominated his relationship (as the informant) to the baby whose birth was being registered.
You can download the image for that birth cert for $20 Australian. Here is a LIST of what to expect on a Qld bdm historical IMAGE of birth certs from that era:
(First Section)
The GIVEN names of the Child (the middle names can sometimes give hints re the father)
The SEX of the child
The DATE OF BIRTH of the child (sometimes this includes the day of the week, not just the full date !)
The PLACE OF BIRTH of the child (not just the district, but sometimes the name of the property, the street, the lying in hospital etc)
(Second Section)
FATHER
The Given NAME/s and SURNAME of the father
The OCCUPATION of the father
The AGE and BIRTHPLACE of the father (birthplace can include the locality, town, state and country)
(Third Section)
MOTHER
The Given NAME/s and MAIDEN SURNAME of the mother (and any other former surnames)
The AGE and BIRTHPLACE of the mother (birthplace can include the locality, town, state and country)
(Fourth Section)
PREVIOUS CHILDREN OF THE RELATIONSHIP
Names and Ages (listing the then living older siblings in chronological order, and those who had not survived at the end of the list)
(Fifth Section)
INFORMANT
Name, description of relationship and informant’s address
(Sixth Section)
REGISTRARs details (Registrar’s name, date and place of registration)
(Seventh Section)
NOTES if ANY (for example, if birth registered as “un-named” and then a name chosen for the baby.
So, from the Qld BDM online index, Hilda Elizabeth’s birth was registered. The ref number is C2879 and the year 1907. The “C” indicates that it was NOT registered in Brisbane. (‘C’ for Country ie NON-Metropolitan)
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research/
I would expect that that Qld birth cert will show Hilda’s mum as Elizabeth CHARLES. Perhaps Andrew and Naomi CHARLES were related to Elizabeth CHARLES and therefore were also related to Hilda? Within my own family in that decade, I have examples where Grandparents raised their eldest children’s first born babies as though they were their OWN children, so perhaps Andrew and Naomi are one generation older than Elizabeth rather than one generation older than Hilda…. Of course, I am offering this in a speculative way, but may I ask if you have Hilda’s MARRIAGE certificate, and if so, who did she nominate as her parents?
RED POST .... Same thinking from me too :)
Cheers, JM
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Hi there,
There’s a 1932 death for an Andrew CHARLES, son of John (CHARLES) AND Catherine (JOHNSTON) on the Qld bdm index (C3496)
There’s a 1929 death for a Naomi CHARLES, dau of Willigm ROWLINGS and Harriet, and the index indicates that Naomi was born in Queensland and was aged 67 years. (So born about 1862) (C3800)
May I suggest that a copy of Naomi’s death registration may have Andrew (her husband) as her informant, and it should list the names of their children. So it should include Elizabeth, but not Hilda.
Have you looked through the free to search digitised newspapers website…. Searches can be limited to Family notices at TROVE …. Here’s a link
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
Cheers, JM
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/21999347
Brisbane Courier, 3 Sept 1932 Obit for Andrew CHARLES
Cheers, JM
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Mrs McLachlan is one of the daughters mentioned in Andrew CHARLES obit
QLD Marriage 1914 C875 John Henry Alexander McLachlan and Elizabeth Charles
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Qld death: 1957 C5816 Elizabeth McLachlan; Father-Andrew Charles; Mother-Naomi Rawlings
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Burial
Warwick Cemetery
FARRELL, Hilda Elizebeth(sic) died 04.06.1993. Aged 86 yrs
Location- Lawn sect. Next to Allan J. FARRELL MI.
Warwick Cemetery
FARRELL, Allan John, died 18.06.1978 Aged 18 yrs 5m
Location- Lawn sect. d. suddenly MI
Warwick Cemetery
McLACHLAN, Elizabeth,died 05.10.1957 Aged 69 yrs
My wife, our mother & grandmother MI
Warwick Cemetery
McLACHLAN, John Alexander died. 06.07.1971 Aged 82 yrs
Our father. & grandfather.With wife Elizabeth
Warwick Cemetery
CHARLES, Andrew died 30.08.1932 Aged 74 yrs, MI
Inglewood Cemetery
CHARLES, Naioma(sic) died 08.09.1929. Aged 67 yrs, MI
Sue
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Death of John McLACHLAN
Year 1971 Reg C5861 John Alexander McLACHLAN
Parents John McLachlan & Ada Grace MARSH
Sue
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TROVE has an obit for Andrew CHARLES, died 31 August 1932. There is a full list of his children.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/21999347
Judith
Edit to add: (Sorry, this has been already posted by JM)
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you guys are absolutely incredible!!
words can explain how thrilled I am with the amazing help and information you have found its beyond anything I could have expected.
Its opened up my mind that perhaps Hilda did not have a dad is one I didn't think of I just thought perhaps the family just didn't know but it explains the missing information of her dad and also jumping straight to her grandparents.
Majm I don't have a marriage certificate I have absolutely nothing for this portion of the family I only had Hilda birth and death dates the children Elizabeth had and then Andrew and Naomi. I knew nothing of where Andrew came from ect. but that newspaper obit you posted WOW again thanks so much that is worth its weight in gold it gives me so much to work with and look more info up on him about. FYI the daughters name in the obit are exactly the same names I have that are his kids so that was super exciting I had a jump up and down moment reading that!!!
again thanks so super much to everyone and the time you have taken to look that info up it so super nice of you. I send you lots of good karma your way and I hope something nice comes back to you :)
THANKS MILLIONS.
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Your welcome PF. ;D ;D
It is an interesting family.
This is the death of the chap buried with Hilda.
Yr 1978 Reg C4509 Allan John FARRELL
Parents Clifford FARRELL & Marcia Mary REDGWELL
Sue
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Robert Francis FARRELL, Hilda's husband joined the ww2 forces.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=392522
So this is probably his birth-
Reg 35598 Yr 1899 FARRELL Robert F
Parents Frank & Selina
At WARIALDA
Pretty sure you have this death of Selina on your other thread and her marriage too. ;D
Yr 1940 Reg C3914 Selina FARRELL
Parents Robert Dawson POLLARD & Mary Ridschie
Sue
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how on earth did you find that? that's unreal.
is this just a list of website you just put the name into and see if you get a hit? or are you using google?
I need to know what you know how to do Sue!! haha
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Hi PF
No, there is not one major website that brings answers. Would be nice ;D
It is just about seeking records from many different resources,some private, some public and piecing it all together.
It is always very much a team effort and we follow each other's clues and just keep exploring. Sometimes we get satisfactory results, but not always
Many have contributed to this thread and I'm sure we are all pleased to have helped ;D
Sue
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well its been incredible I was hoping to get an early nights sleep but im buzzing with excitement and these amazing finds you have all given me and I will be up all night searching and looking!!!!
thanks so very much again :) :) :)
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Hi,
A couple of snippets.
1894 Qld Post Office Directory
Charles, Andrew & John, selectors, Inglewood.
1895 Queensland State Electoral Roll
Inglewood Division
Charles John, abode, Wyemo.
Charles John, abode, Coolmunda.
Gerry
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In the Courier Mail 28th May 1934.
Government Notices
Deceased proprietor, Andrew Charles with the claimant being William Henry Charles.
Goes on to identify his land portions in 3 Parishes.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36714792?searchTerm=
Gerry
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Andrew and John Charles were brothers.
John Charles died 1909 Qld Reg: C4061.
F: John Charles
M: Catherine Johnston.
Gerry
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Hi Sue,
I came across this post last year when I was heavily researching my family history. I believe we have some relatives in common and it has just dawned on me that perhaps I should contact you. Hilda was my great Aunt. My pop was John Clive McLachlan, her brother (or rather half-brother). How are you connected with our family?
I have a fair bit of information about the McLachlan's, although no where near as much as I would like. I have information about Hilda's mother's family, her step-father John McLachlan's family, his parents and grandparents. Unfortunately I haven't been able to go any further back, and have very little concerning his grandparents. I was wondering if you might have much information about the McLachlan's that you would be willing to share with me?
Kind regards,
Laura