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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: newcanadian on Saturday 23 August 14 20:58 BST (UK)
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Hello to All
I wasn't sure if this was the right place to start...!?
I am looking for anyone who may be related to the late Alfred Tenyson Hudson (Tennyson)?
Born November 1879 in Rathfriland.
Known to have a sister Florence Hudson.
Served in the Canadian Expeditionary Force from 1915...
Settled in Northern Alberta til his death 1938? with no immediate family here.
The gent who cares for the local Prebyterian cemetary has found Alfred's grave and would like
for any family to know that this WW1 serviceman has not been forgotten.
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1914 border crossing gives his occupation as carpenter and sister Mrs. Florence Heron, The Manse, Bally walter [Ballywalter] Co.Down.
Florence had 3 living children in 1911 (more could have been born after that census)-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ballywalter/Whitechurch/265627
Brother-in-law George Heron born at Ballykine, Co.Down retired 10 Mar.1944 and died 1 Aug.1959. Florence died in 1956.
"Heron Florence Nightingale of The Manse Main Street Ballywalter county Down died 18 August 1956 at Ards Hospital Newtownards county Down Administration Belfast 31 October to George Heron retired presbyterian minister the husband. Effects £1037 12s."
"Heron George of Ballywalter and of Dunalton 5 Crawfordsburn Road Newtownards both in county Down presbyterian minister died 1 August 1959 at latter place Probate Belfast 14 September to James Wilson Russell solicitor. Effects £1818 8s. 8d."
Son George Victor Heron (the baby in 1911) was also a Presbyterian minister at Armoy and Castlecaulfield & Eglish. George was still alive in 1963.
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Ballywalter Presbyterian Church might have some information on relatives of Rev. George Heron-
http://www.ballywalterpci.co.uk/history/
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Florence Nightingale Hudson born 12 Aug.1878 Rathfriland dist.- parents James Hudson & Martha Ann Cromie. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FR4Y-F7V
This might be the father James Hudson-
"Letters of Administration of the personal estate of James Hudson late of Rathfriland County Down Auctioneer who died 14 May 1893 at same place were granted at Belfast to Robert James Hudson of Rathfriland Auctioneer a Son."
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If the above James Hudson was Alfred & Florence's father (and it looks likely from the middle name Cromie in this census record) then Robert James Hudson is Alfred, and Martha's, brother-and another brother Henry John in the household:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Rathfryland/Dromore_Street/258460
Another brother Victor in Robert James' household in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Rathfriland/Dromore_Street/1249964
Let me know if you want any more details.
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Many thanks aghadowey
Wow...quick work, in less than an hour you've found more than I have in a day!
The only information I have is Alfred's Attestation Paper.
The cemetary caretaker has applied for & been granted a new headstone and is arranging a small service.
Alfred's situation here is not known but it would appear he didn't marry or have a family...just used a small grant to buy some land!
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Give me a few minutes to type up what I've found so far- seems like there might be lots of Hudson relatives.
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Sorry for the delay but lots more Hudsons than I realised at first. James Hudson (father of Alfrwed) was married twice and it's possible that he and Florence were the only surviving children from that 2nd marriage. There are several online family trees and the owners might be able to get you contacts with Florence's descendants.
Briefly-
James Hudson (d.1893), auctioneer, m.1 Mary Ann Bell (d.1874); m.2 (1876) Martha Ann Cromie (d.1887).
1. Margaret May Hudson (1864-1944) m. John Cromie- family.
2. Robert James Hudson (1866-1871).
3. Minnie Isabella Hudson (1867-1883).
4. Annie Edith Hudson (1869-1870).
5. Robert James Hudson (1871-1934) m.(1891) Agnes Cromie (d.1902); m.(1904) Margaret Hollingsworth (1877-1966).
6. Adelaide Agnes Hudson (1871-1897).
"Administration of the Estate of Adelaide Agnes Hudson late of Rathfriland County Down Spinster who died 29 June 1897 granted at Belfast to Robert James Hudson Auctioneer."
7. Henry John Hudson (1872-aft.1911), printer compositor.
8. Son (1877-1877).
9. Florence Nightingale Hudson (12 Aug.1878-18 Aug.1956) m. Rev. George Heron (d.1 Aug.1959).
1. James Hudson Heron (c1904-18 Aug.1981)
2. Norah Margaret Heron (c1907-aft.1911).
3. Rev. George Victor Heron (c1910-alive 1963).
10. Alfred Teenyson Hudson (13 Nov.1879).
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGN2-WM5
11. George Frederick John Hudson (1883-1889).
12. Samuel William Hudson (1885-1886).
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Many thanks for all your help...
i will also contact the newspaper in the area!
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Try contacting the Presbyterian Herald and asking them to insert a plea for help- (scroll down page for contact details)
http://www.presbyterianireland.org/Related-Bodies/Presbyterian-Herald
Also contact Ballywalter Presbyterian Church (it's quite possible they are in touch with Florence's descendants).
Florence's son George was minister at Armoy and Castlecaulfield Presbyterian churches so might be worth a try contacting them as well-
http://www.armoy.net/index.php/clubsassociations/churches/armoypresbyterianchurch
http://castlecaulfieldpc.org/index.html
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Hi, did you make any connections?
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From http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/rohpci/rohrathfriland.html
The WW1 contribution from just one church Rathfriland 3rd Presbyterian includes those who served
Hudson J. E.
Rathfriland Sergeant R.E.
Hudson John C.
Rathfriland Lieutenant A.S.C.
Hudson H. Q.
Rathfriland Sergeant Tank Corps
Hudson R. K.
Rathfriland Lance-Corporal Training Reserve
Hudson R. J.
Rathfriland Driver Red Cross Service
Alfred Tennyson Hudson has been given his own webpage on https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/lifestory/5952682
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Going backwards in time from Aghadoweys contribution in case it becomes of interest.
James m before 1864 so b~1844
father was a Robert so b1822~
then looking at a census substitute the Tithe-Applotment-Books 1834 for Drumgath were compiled in 1834, there are surprisingly no Hudsons
then looking at the next census substitute Griffiths valuation 1864 Drumgath see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ which has continuation listings at PRONI up to 1921
Samuel at Cross townland map ref 32 which appears to be 5 acres of land , and he might be the one and same Samuel below
Samuel beside Caddell’sLane in Cross intersects map ref 55 29 This is a grand house [or business], office , yard,and small garden v£20 pa ie Rathfryland
James in Main St Cross map ref 55.4 House iffice yard v£10.10shillings pa
William in Lissize townland Map ref 7 actually 7c has House and small garden v£2pa which is above the average
So where is Robert and is that a young James above
Switching to Ros Davies Co Down website who has more than the 3 Roberts below http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/H/Hu.htm
Robert HUDSON Drumgath a reedmaker in Rathfriland in 1819 POD
Robert HUDSON Drumgath a boot & shoemaker in Rathfriland in 1824 POD
These earlier Roberts maybe 18thcentury births and the same person
Robert HUDSON Drumgath late of Rathfriland; married Elizabeth, 2nd daughter of William Balgowan Esq. late of Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland 17 Sep 1867 at Deyburgh, Fish River NSW Australia, home of the bride's father NLAT [see aghadoweys list
So back church records, as I found substantial Hudson entries from the 3rd Presbyterian church, Rathfriland , here is the surviving records at PRONI
P. 1st Rathfriland
Baptisms, 1827-1970; marriages, 1782-1811 and
1845-1936.
Mariages,1936-; register of seatholders, 1853-60;
visiting book,1798.
MIC1P/131; T/1037;
D1759/1D/14
In Presbyterian Historical
Society
P. 2nd Rathfriland
Baptisms, 1804-1934; marriages, 1805-43 and 1845-
1935; deaths, 1849-58; session minutes, 1805-49; lists
of new communicants, 1849-60; committee minutes,
1866-c.1900; communion roll, 1865-79. MIC1P/387; T/1539
P. 3rd Rathfriland
Baptisms, 1834-1934; marriages, 1834-1935;
communion roll, 1865-79.
Minute book of Sunday School, 1833-82, and roll book,
1853-80, with gaps.
MIC1P/388; T/1539/3
T/1537
That ends my contribution to a war hero’s background
JimG
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Would love to reply as I am this gentleman's great niece but am unable to
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Would love to reply as I am this gentleman's great niece but am unable to
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Hi all. My sister pointed out this thread, so I thought I'd answer.
Alfred Tennyson Hudson (1879–1938) - BIRTH 13 NOV 1879 • Rathfriland, Down, Ireland, DEATH 6 MAY 1938 • Notikewin, Alberta, Canada is my great uncle. As far as I know he never married and had no children.
My maternal great grandfather James Hudson (1833–1893) - BIRTH 02 JAN 1833 • Rathfriland, Down, Northern Ireland, DEATH 14 MAY 1893 • Rathfriland, Down, Northern Ireland had 12 children that I know of.
My grandfather (who also married twice and had 14 children! Many of his sons served as well), Robert James Hudson (1871–1934) - BIRTH 22 MAY 1871 • Rathfriland, Down, Northern Ireland, DEATH 06 DEC 1934 • Rathfriland, Down, Northern Ireland is his half brother from my ggf's first marriage to Mary Anne Bell (he was the 5th of six). Alfred was the 4th of six from James' 2nd marriage to Martha Ann Cromie.
The family had lived in Rathfriland probably since the Implantation.
As you have noted, all the surviving sons fought in the war. My grandfather (an auctioneer in Newry) was too old to fight so drove ambulances for the red cross on the Italian front. My mother told me that he was one of the first people in Ireland (as it then was) to own a motor car which he bought in the Paris Exhibition in 1900 and drove back home. I have a photo of the car.
I have recorded all that I have so far found on my Family tree on Ancestry called 'The Shropshire Ashdowns' - it is public.
Thanks for all the careful enquiry and extra detail which I shall certainly add to the family history!
Needless to say, i would love to make contact with any long lost relatives.
Bristol, UK.
Edited: I forgot to say - re 'The cemetery caretaker has applied for & been granted a new headstone and is arranging a small service.
Alfred's situation here is not known but it would appear he didn't marry or have a family...just used a small grant to buy some land!'
Please can I learn more and could someone post a photo of the grave and I shall add it to the family tree.
We are very proud of all our Hudson ancestors...They are certainly not forgotten here!