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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: syljun on Sunday 24 August 14 11:43 BST (UK)
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I have a Albert Edward Harding whose occupation on 1911 Census is Chauffeur. I wondered if there was a Country House in the area. Albert was born in Stawell, Somerset 1880 and was married to Maggie Welch b. 1884 Zeals, Wilts. Marriage 1907 Mere.
1911 Census has them living at Notton Lacock, Chippenham. I have not found any children of this couple. Would like any info going from 1911 and who he might have worked for.
The Harding surname seems to be quite popular in that area but cannot find a connection to anyone other that his sister Lucy b.1873 who married Frank Thomas Ford b.1873 Bradford Wilts.
living also in Chippenham at 30 Causeway, Chippenham - Frank was a Baker and Confectioner and owned a shop. Anyone with any connection to afore mentioned or know who Albert may have worked for, perhaps Country Estate owner. I have info previous to 1911 Census for all.
Many thanks, Syljun
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The whole area has lots of wealthy landowners now and would have been similar then. Given the wealth available it may not have been a well known family he worked for.
The obvious households would be the Spicer family at Spye Park, or the Marquis of Lansdowne at Bowood.
Also possible was Lackham House and estates that had various owners through that time period, or the Talbot family at Lacock.
Hope that might be some help.
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Thank you glencare, Thought maybe that may be the case. Appreciate your suggestions.
Regards, Syljun
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http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/Items/Lacock/Lacock%20-%20Kellys%201915.pdf
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Can you access the Enumerator's List that covers Albert's 1911 Census entry?
If you use Find My Past - display Albert's 1911 Census image. Bottom right hand corner click on "Related Images" and then click on "List". Wondered if he might be linked to the "Private House" surrounded by lodge, gardener's cottage etc?
You can access the "Enumerator's List" on "A*****y" I believe - but I'm not familiar with their way of doing things.
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Hi, I have a copy of Transcript of 1911 Census but not original bought 2009 when they were charging 30 credits for original and ten for transcript if my memory serves me. At the moment I do not have a sub. so looking for original is out unfortunately. Must wait for next £1.00 offer. Took up last one and did not untick box so was charged for a month and just wasted searches. Have never subscribed to Ancestry, only FindMyPast.
Thanks, Syljun
Thank you Glencare. That article was very interesting. Syljun
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Hello Syljun
There are only 47 entries for Notton Laycock on the 1911. Unfortunately, as the place appears to be small, no individual addresses are given. However I have found 2 x Domestic Coachmen, a Head Gardener, a Gardener, and a Groom/Gardener among the inhabitants.
The only likely employer I can see is a William Lowther Lysley who is listed with wife & children and 6 house servants. He is a Land Agent from Yorkshire and aged 35. If he still uses a coach and horses is he likely to have a chauffeur? On the other hand he might be trying out the new technology!
There is a 20 strong contingent of the Royal Marine Light Infantry listed, but they are under the charge of a Captain. I wouldn't have thought he would be likely to have a chauffeur?
Best I can do I'm afraid!
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PS
I have just tracked William Lysley back to 1881. His father was a William G Lysley (Magistrate and Barrister not in practise). The family are living at Princes Gate, St George Hanover Square with eight servants. Not short of a bob or two then!
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Hi, going back to 1901 Census Albert was a "Footman" at Stourhead in employ of Henry H.A. Hoare
In brackets after name looked like (Bart) Landowner and Bank Director.Age 35. Lots of Servants.
Albert obviously went up in the world to become Chauffeur. Would he have driven one of those new fangled Motor Cars. Oh I would love to have a photo. Albert was my Grandfather's brother.
Syljun
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Bart = Baronet
He was Sir Henry!
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You're almost there Syljun. Family name Hoare features at Stourhead, nr Warminster, Wilts and Notton Lacock area.
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Perhaps Albert stayed in employ of Hoare family if Stourhead is close to Notton Lacock. Perhaps now married lived "out".
Have found a birth of a Evelyn M.Harding Born June Qtr 1911 Chippenham 5a 64 - taken from Freeband. Can anyone tell me if she is Albert and Maggie's daughter please without me buying Cert.
1911 Census states married 3 yrs so if Evelyn is their daughter born June Qtr birth would be after Census.
Many thanks for help. Much easier going backwards than forward.
Syljun
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There is a "Private House" containing 13 servants on the "Enumerator's List" where Albert is recorded only a few entries later, after Gardeners' Cottages and stables.
Rootschat rules preclude posting details of the 1911 Census.
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There isn't a chauffeur listed amongst the 13 - which fits the chauffeur usually living apart from the household? (or am I watching too much Downton Abbey?)
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The Harding surname seems to be quite popular in that area but cannot find a connection to anyone other that his sister Lucy b.1873 who married Frank Thomas Ford b.1873 Bradford Wilts.
living also in Chippenham at 30 Causeway, Chippenham - Frank was a Baker and Confectioner and owned a shop.
Albert's sisters Sarah & Florence (Florrie) were both servants in 1901 for William Thompson -Ironmonger & Shopkeeper at Brent Lodge Taunton Rd Somerset - Sarah was a cook and Florence a Housemaid
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Suz
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Yes Suz, all adds up. Stourhead is way down the A350 from Chippenham, nr Warminster, but your last info. is just a bit more West from Stourhead.
At the same time, there's strong connections with Chippenham. There are Hoare portraits in the entrance hall of Lacock Abbey (Fox Talbot was deceased by 1911). Lackham and Notton are just down the road (A350).
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Mother's maiden name for Evelyn M Harding is Hiscocks.
http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk
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Evelyn appears to be the daughter of George Harding and Annie Maria Hiscocks.
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Having checked Evelyn's family I wonder if she may have a connection to your Hardings. She is on 1911 age 5 days but as yet unnamed. The large family are living in Wood Lane which is a road coming off of the Causeway in Chippenham and her much older brother is a baker ! Could he have worked for Frank ? There is of course coincidence.
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Hi glencare, I have done a little research on the Ford family - Baker and Confectioner of The Causeway but not indepth. Lucy Jane Harding (Sister to Albert) married Frank Thomas Ford. I have made previous requests on this family which you may have picked up on. Also found that sister Florence went to live with Lucy , before marrying Edwin John Curtis at Chippenham 1905 and emigrating to U.S.A.
Not found another Harding related at Chippenham.
Any photos of anyone related in Chippenham would be a bonus. I have a photo of the street "The Causeway but not shop. Any out there?
Any info. however small gives a picture for which I am grateful. Not ready to give up on Family Research yet.
Regards, Syljun