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Trying to find information on Joshua Astin b. 19 Jul 1834 d. 18 Dec 1902
and his wife Susannah b. 25 Nov 1832.
They married at St Pauls Church, Dalehall, Burslem on 2 Sep 1858.
Their daughter Sarah Jane Astin was born on 6 Aug 1859 and was christened at the Bethel Chapel.
She married a Percival Hamstall who died on 13 May 1902 and she herself died on 11 Nov 1901.
I have looked at online records and have not been able to find anything. I am looking for descendants of this family. Any help would be appreciated. ???
Ceejayaitch.
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Hi you seem to have quite a bit re Joshua, what is it you are missing or wish to add to your researches?
Is the marriage on Freebmd?
Have you Joshua Astin on any census?
OK just found marriage in Staffs records as Joshua ASKIN Father Robert to Susannah Bale Father John Bale
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FreeBMD is showing:
September qtr 1858
Wolstanton district vol 6b, page 96
Arpin, Joshua
Ball, Susannah
Goldstraw, Sarah
Meakin, William
A double-whammy with mistranscriptions?! ;D
Burslem was a parish within the Wolstanton Registration District until 1922.
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Not FreeBMD's fault - the original entry in the GRO Index says Joshua ARPIN - between surnames Arnup and Arrowsmith :-X
Added: and looking at the original parish register entry - he appears to have signed as Joshua ASPIN
Added (2): The marriage entry at Burslem says that Joshua is a Builder from Macclesfield.
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1861 - RG9/2581 folio 13, page 20 - Macclesfield
Joshua ASPIN - 28 born Prestbury, with Susana - 28 and Sarah A aged 1
1871 - RG10/3675 folio 51 page 26 - Prestbury
Joshua ASPIN - 38 born Macclesfield, with Susannah 38 and Sarah J aged 11
1881- RG11/3494 folio 61 page 1 - Macclesfield
Joshua ASPIN - 47 born Macclesfield, with Susannah 47 and Sarah J aged 21
Sarah Jane ASPIN birth registered Macclesfield Registration District, September quarter 1859.
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There is a newspaper article relating to the death of Sarah Jane Aspin, spinster, embroiderer born Macclesfield 1859 the daughter of Joshua Aspin and Susannah Ball who died in 1942 in Macclesfield leaving £500. the article request any next of kin to contact a firm of solicitors.
As for the Astin family there is no record on Staffordshire records.
The mystery is, why would Susannah Ball born Manchester and Joshua Aspin born cheshire marry in Staffordshire and have their daughter b Cheshire baptised there.
All census entries have them living in Macclesfield.
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Hi to complete the census returns:-
1851 cenus
Robert Aspin 43 Hand loom Weaver
Frances 36
John 19 occ Book Keeper
Joshna 17 occ Apprentice to Joiner
Hugh 15 occ Errand Boy
Residing at Chester Road, Macclesfield
Census ref HO107/2160/193/17
1841 census
Robert ASPEN 30
John 9
Josua 7
Hugh 5
Residing at Chester Road, Wakefields Buildings, Prestbury
Census ref HO107/132/ 17/3 / 1
Keyboard86
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The mystery is, why would Susannah Ball born Manchester and Joshua Aspin born cheshire marry in Staffordshire and have their daughter b Cheshire baptised there.
All census entries have them living in Macclesfield.
Burslem is only 19 miles from Macclesfield! ;D
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I wish the vicar at Burslem had better hand-writing - I might then be able to read the "abode" for Susannah. ;D Whatever it is, I think it ends "hole" Is there a Dalehole? I can't see one. Her father, John, was a Travelling Salesman, so she could very well have been born in Manchester!
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Hi again, I do hope the information that has been provided is what you require?
Robert Aspin married a Sarah Thawley 8th May 1831 Prestbury both of Macclesfield
Witnesses William Aspin and Mary Thawley
Robert Aspin aged 38 Widower occ Weaver Father John Aspin occ Labourer
Frances Lowe aged 32 Father John Lowe occ Bricklayer
25th December 1845 Saltersford-Cum-Kettleshulme
Keyboard86
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Trying to find information on Joshua Astin b. 19 Jul 1834 d. 18 Dec 1902
and his wife Susannah b. 25 Nov 1832.
They married at St Pauls Church, Dalehall, Burslem on 2 Sep 1858.
Their daughter Sarah Jane Astin was born on 6 Aug 1859 and was christened at the Bethel Chapel.
She married a Percival Hamstall who died on 13 May 1902 and she herself died on 11 Nov 1901.
I have looked at online records and have not been able to find anything. I am looking for descendants of this family. Any help would be appreciated. ???
Ceejayaitch.
Just come back to this one, just when/where did she marry Percival Hamstall and just where did she die?
Keyboard86
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There is a newspaper article relating to the death of Sarah Jane Aspin, spinster, embroiderer born Macclesfield 1859 the daughter of Joshua Aspin and Susannah Ball who died in 1942 in Macclesfield leaving £500. the article request any next of kin to contact a firm of solicitors.
As for the Astin family there is no record on Staffordshire records.
The mystery is, why would Susannah Ball born Manchester and Joshua Aspin born cheshire marry in Staffordshire and have their daughter b Cheshire baptised there.
All census entries have them living in Macclesf
??? So who is this Sarah Jane b c 1859, there is either another Sarah Jane Astin/Aspin or whatever born in 1859 Burslem, with parents Joshua and Susannah or OP has wrong family, the Joshua & Susannah & Sarah Jane we found are still around in 1901 Census ref RG13/3312/54/28?
Keyboard86
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Unfortunately that is all the information I have. A friend has discovered a Bible in an attic with this information written in it and I am trying to reunite it with its rightful owner!
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How very strange. Most of the facts for Joshua and Susannah can be verified from records - except that Joshua's surname was Aspin. He did get married on 2 September 1858 and he did die on 18 December 1902 - there is an entry in the Wills Index to verify this. Sarah Jane's information can also be verified, with the exception of her marriage and death date. However, it does look as though the bible's return is not going to be possible to the immediate family. :'(
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There is an entry in the Wills Index for Sarah Jane Aspin - died 8 January 1942, spinster of 71 Roe Street, Macclesfield, which is the same address given for Joshua's entry in the Wills Index. Administration was granted to HM Treasury Solicitor.
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I had to go to Lichfield Records Office this morning, so took the opportunity to look at the Marriage Allegation. Nothing further to be added other than it was dated 27 September 1858 and confirmed that Joshua was from Macclesfield and Susannah was from Dalehall.
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This is a puzzle, all else fits so just who was Percival Hamstall/Hemstall, the Hamstall name from public trees suggests they are from Staffordshire?
Keyboard86
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Yes, Hamstall would suggest Staffordshire - Hamstall Ridware.
This may very well be clutching at straws BUT ;D
As we have been given death dates for Percival and Sarah, I looked at FreeBMD to find a Percival with any surname who died in June quarter 1902 - a lot of them were aged 0, so could be discounted. However, there is a death registration for Percival TUNSTALL in that quarter in Poplar. SO I looked at the 1901 Census for Percival Tunstall - there he is, born Stafford, a Joiner, and aged 67, in Stepney Workhouse with wife SARAH aged 77, born Manchester. There is a death registration for Sarah Tunstall in Poplar District in December quarter 1901. I haven't dared to look for a marriage.
Or is that too much of a coincidence? :-\ Or more likely - have I lost the second braincell again?
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Hi you seem to have quite a bit re Joshua, what is it you are missing or wish to add to your researches?
Is the marriage on Freebmd?
Have you Joshua Astin on any census?
OK just found marriage in Staffs records as Joshua ASKIN Father Robert to Susannah Bale Father John Bale
That is a great coincedence as their is this marriage:-
Percival Tunstall 23 occ Joiner Resident Golden Hill Father William Tunstall occ Gentleman
Sarah Ann BALL/BALE 27 abode Burslem Father John Bale/Ball
Witnesses John Ball & Beradiata? Tunstall
24th December 1857 St John The Evangelist, Golden Hill, Staffordshire
Looks good as on the 1861 ref by BumbleB for Joshua & Susannah living on same ref is Percival & Sarah Tunstall RG09/2581/13/20
Keyboard86
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Wow! I cannot believe the trouble you are going to and am very grateful :) I will see if I can obtain a copy of the page to decipher it myself as information was given to me over the phone, but what you have both found is interesting and thank you so much. Obviously I would like to reunite it with a member of the family but if there is no-one that would be a shame. Just have to give it a try though! I will keep you posted!
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OK found a bit more for you:-
Christening Sarah Ann Ball July 19th 1829 Abode Tunstall, Staffs Father John occ Glass Cutter Mother Mary
Christening Susannah Ball born 25th November 1832 Christening 13th April 1834 Collegiate Manchester Father John Mother Mary
Possible marriage John Ball to Mary Owen 21st April 1828 Collegiate, Manchester
1841 Census
Deborah Hoyle 60 occ Independent
John Ball 35 occ Glass Cutter Not born in County
Sarah 13 Not born in County
Susannah 9 Not born in County?
Residing at Park Street, Manchester
Census Ref HO107/583/ 12/43 / 24
1851 Census
John Ball 45 occ Agent to Glass Manufacturer b Staffordshire
Jane 41 b North Newcastle
Ann Ball 50 Sister b Staffordshire
Residing at Forth Street, Newcastle on Tyne
Census Ref HO107/2406/6/5
1861 Census
John Ball 55 occ Commercial Traveller b Wolstanton
Jane 52 b Newcastle on Tyne
George Wilkinson 42 occ Tea Dealer b Northumberland
Emma Ford 19 occ Servant b Tunstall
Residing at 33, Ellgreave Street, Burslem
Census Ref RG09/1927/54/11
1871 Census
John Ball 65 occ Earthenware Agent b Wolstanton
Jane 62 b Newcastle on Tyne
Residing at Newport Street, Burslem
Census Ref RG10/2851/5/3
Keyboard86
PS Deaths in Macclesfield:-
Joshua Aspin Dec qtr 1902 Macclesfield 8a 99 aged 68
Susannah Aspin Sept qtr 1904 Macclesfield 8a 102 aged 71
Sarah J Aspin March qtr 1942 Macclesfield 8a 293 aged 82
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;D ;D ;D So I hadn't totally lost the plot! Phewwwwwwww!
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Have now had original photographed and sent to me via social media.
First Page
Joshua Aspin died Dec 18 1902 Age 68 Years
Susannah Aspin died Aug 17 1904 Age 71 years
Sarah Ann Tunstall died Nov 11 1901 Age 73 years
Percival Tunstall Husband of Above died May 13 1902 Age 68 years
Next Page
Childrens Names (title)
Sarah Jane Aspin born Aug 6 1859
Baptised at Bethel Chapel, Burslem
Parents Names (title)
Husband Joshua Aspin Born July 19th 1834
Wife Susannah Aspin Born Nov 25th 1832
Married Sept 2 1858 at St Pauls Church, Dale Hall, Burslem.
This would tie in with the deaths registered in Macclesfield district. My thoughts are that it is worth looking into Sarah's death to see who registered it but can this be done without having to purchase a death certificate? I suppose it is worth looking through obituaries but would I be looking at a Staffordshire or Cheshire newspaper? Thank you for your help!
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It appears that Percival And Sarah Tunstall had no children, he was a Joiner and carpenter all his life and they moved around quite a bit.
!861 living in macclesfield both born Goldenhill staffs
1871 living in Machester
1881 living in Sussex
1891 in London
1901 they are both registered together in Stepney Workhouse, couple of errors, sarahs age 77? b Manchester but workhouses were notorious for this.
Both died in Poplar London
Percival reg.June 1902 age 69 1c 335
Sarah reg, Dec 1901 age 73 1c 395
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Have now had original photographed and sent to me via social media.
First Page
Joshua Aspin died Dec 18 1902 Age 68 Years
Susannah Aspin died Aug 17 1904 Age 71 years
Sarah Ann Tunstall died Nov 11 1901 Age 73 years
Percival Tunstall Husband of Above died May 13 1902 Age 68 years
Which just goes to prove that it is important to see the actual documents, and not to rely on others perceptions of what the writing says! ;D ;D
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Thank you everyone for your help - just goes to show how hard it is to find things when there is a typo. This is really appreciated! 🙂