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Title: Where is Hewetts Burn?
Post by: Richard Knott on Wednesday 27 August 14 09:54 BST (UK)
Hewetts Burn (?) was, in 1744, in the chapelry of All Saints, Newcastle.

Can anyone find any other reference to it, or where it was more precisely? I've looked through some histories of the area and can't find any mention of it. It might, of course, just be his house.

Richard
Title: Re: Where is Hewetts Burn?
Post by: lydiaann on Thursday 28 August 14 14:53 BST (UK)
There would appear to be a Heworth Burn in or near Gateshead, including a cemetery, and, when it is Googled, the name obviously remains in 'Heworth Crescent' in Newcastle, etc.  Perhaps this may help you to locate it.

lydiaann
Title: Re: Where is Hewetts Burn?
Post by: stanmapstone on Thursday 28 August 14 15:18 BST (UK)
In the 1850 Directory there is a Hewett's Court, Dean Street. You can see it on the 1862 Town Plan at http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?coords=425105,563993 which may relate to the 1744 Hewetts Burn

Stan
Title: Re: Where is Hewetts Burn?
Post by: TriciaK on Thursday 28 August 14 15:48 BST (UK)
There must have been many little offshoots from the Tyne in the low-lying areas nearby, before it was all built up.
I've walked down and across from Gateshead and up the steep hill into Newcastle to the RVI several times, and that low lying area around the river must have been riddled with streams/burns at one time.
Title: Re: Where is Hewetts Burn?
Post by: barryd on Thursday 28 August 14 16:18 BST (UK)
Robert was a Staithman. I would say that he lived at Hewetts Burn and walked to work to his occupation on the staith (coal?) which would be on the Newcastle side of the Tyne. His affiliation to All Saints also puts him there too on that side of the river.
Title: Re: Where is Hewetts Burn?
Post by: stanmapstone on Thursday 28 August 14 16:50 BST (UK)
There is a 1772 map at http://valentine.dur.ac.uk/pip/iwspip.asp?img=m0182&ref1=88 which shows All Saints Church.

Stan
Title: Re: Where is Hewetts Burn?
Post by: stanmapstone on Thursday 28 August 14 17:00 BST (UK)
There were no staithes at Newcastle, the coal was brought down river in keels and loaded into the colliers  further down river, below the bridge.

Stan
Title: Re: Where is Hewetts Burn?
Post by: Richard Knott on Thursday 28 August 14 17:45 BST (UK)
Thank you for all the replies and the useful links.

In 1835 Robert Mather was living in Dent's Hole, which was the other side of the glasshouses on the 1772 map, about 1.5 miles SE of Newcastle; but they may have moved closer to the town by 1844, particularly as they used All Saints church. Robert's father was wealthy, but I'm not sure how much how much of that was passsed on. I believe a staithman didn't actually do the physical loading, but was more on the paperwork side of things.

Richard
Title: Re: Where is Hewetts Burn?
Post by: TriciaK on Thursday 28 August 14 17:48 BST (UK)
Perhaps not relevant to Richard's question - but acc. to Wiki the word "staithe'" is from the Norwegian for quay or wharf.
Title: Re: Where is Hewetts Burn?
Post by: stanmapstone on Thursday 28 August 14 21:17 BST (UK)
From the OED Staithe; A landing-stage, wharf; esp. a waterside depôt for coals brought from the collieries for shipment, furnished with staging and shoots for loading vessels.
Etymology: in districts where Scandinavian influence is strong, the word probably represents (or has coalesced with) the cognate Old Norse stǫð feminine ( < *staþwō) landing-stage

See  STAITHS. at http://www.dmm.org.uk/books/terms_s.htm

Stan
Title: Re: Where is Hewetts Burn?
Post by: thetowers on Friday 29 August 14 06:12 BST (UK)
The OED really has "shoots" ?   It may be a southern affectation,  but I would normally write "chute"  for any kind of sloping hole that I shovel stuff down.
Title: Re: Where is Hewetts Burn?
Post by: stanmapstone on Friday 29 August 14 08:24 BST (UK)
From the OED. Chute;  A steep channel or enclosed passage down which ore, coal, grain, or the like is ‘shot’, so as to reach a receptacle, wagon, etc. below. In England, usually shoot.
Etymology:  Here there appears to be a mixture of the French chute fall (of water, descent of a canal lock, etc.), and English shoot n.1 The former appears to have been adopted in North America in sense 1, and the application gradually extended to include senses which originate with shoot n.1, and are still commonly so spelt in England.
Stan