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Title: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: toby webb on Wednesday 27 August 14 14:37 BST (UK)
This started as an extra to Cheshire Blacksmiths but more sensibly should  have been posted under Staffordshire.
Josiah Dale, another blacksmith , born Sproston, Cheshire was married to a Sarah Ann. I cannot make sense of her birthplace in 1861 census [ age 26]. Spools Heath is put forward but I cannot find any such place. Can anyone help?
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: ChrissieL on Wednesday 27 August 14 15:30 BST (UK)
Looking at her birthplace in other census returns, she gives Eccleshall and Stone.  I'm wondering if it is Cotes Heath which is in that area
Chris
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: ChrissieL on Wednesday 27 August 14 15:32 BST (UK)
It sort of looks like Goats Heath which could have been misheard by the enumerator  ???
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 27 August 14 15:45 BST (UK)
Could it be an attempt at  "Gnoshall"

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/parishes.html#G

Carl
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: toby webb on Wednesday 27 August 14 16:04 BST (UK)
Seems like 3 good possibilities. Is Cotes ever found spelt Coates? T
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: hepburn on Wednesday 27 August 14 17:19 BST (UK)
There's Greatwood heath,Eccleshall...Did he miss the wood off ? :)
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: jan57 on Wednesday 27 August 14 17:31 BST (UK)
 It   could be this  place also   ,
Chell is a suburb of the city of Stoke-on-Trent in Staffordshire, England, that can be subdivided into Little Chell, Great Chell and Chell Heath. It lies on the northern edge of the city, approximately 1 mile from Tunstall,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chell,_Staffordshire

Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: jan57 on Wednesday 27 August 14 17:34 BST (UK)
Seems like 3 good possibilities. Is Cotes ever found spelt Coates? T

 Not  seen it spelt  Coats, in the documents I  have ( 3 x great  grandfather    died    in  a train  crash there  )  but   it's  possible 
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: toby webb on Wednesday 27 August 14 21:43 BST (UK)
Your comment jan57 is of interest. 7 of Mary Ann's children were born in Tunstall.
However it is difficult to see a double L. T
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 27 August 14 22:02 BST (UK)
I still think the word begins with a "G"....I can't see it as a "C"  :-\
Carol
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: toby webb on Wednesday 03 September 14 13:55 BST (UK)
A Colin D Gronow puts
"Great heath, near Market Drayton, Staffordshire TF9, UK."
as a possibility but there does seem to be an 's' at the end of the first word so I am not fully convinced. T
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: glen11 on Wednesday 03 September 14 21:22 BST (UK)
hi.If you type in-parishes in stafford,on google-wikipedia has a huge list,you can go through them,it looks like the 2nd word is Heath.Glen
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: toby webb on Saturday 20 September 14 16:17 BST (UK)
I did what you suggested Glen and what a formidable list I got.There was only one Heath namely Brindley Heath and that clearly doesn't fit.
In the 1871 census Sarah Dale puts Eccleshall as her birth place and from personal experience of census returns of other relations who chopped & changed and certainly entered tiny places within a parish, I feel that this Xxxx Heath will probably be in Eccleshall parish. It thus becomes very specialized and I think that only a person from that parish, with an interest in local history, will be able to help.
Thanks to you all for your efforts. Toby.
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: glen11 on Tuesday 23 September 14 14:12 BST (UK)
hi Toby,i have been away -sorry for delay in answering,but i suppose you could contact Stafford archives,or the william Salt library which is a couple of doors away.Glen
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: PaulStaffs on Tuesday 27 January 15 19:29 GMT (UK)
Yates has the spelling 'Coats' (see attached) but if you look four lines up on the 1861 census you'll see the start of the word 'Grocer' has pretty much the same form as this (although it includes a little flourish that this does not!).

As Coats Heath is pretty much halfway between Stone & Eccleshall I would think it's a fair bet that it's a misinterpretation of Coats Heath.

Paul
Title: Re: STAFFORDSHIRE PLACENAME
Post by: glen11 on Tuesday 27 January 15 19:54 GMT (UK)
hi,log onto www.oldmaps.co.uk.Type in Cotes Heath,then choose one of the old maps on the left hand side.Or,type in Coven,you should see Cotes Heath,also a cotes hall.You can move the map around,this must be the place.There is also Cotes,which looks like its a farm.Glen