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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: Chris Daisley on Saturday 30 August 14 03:06 BST (UK)
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Greetings. A First message for anyone linked to this family (the prevalent spelling with variations) from Knocknahorn Townland, Dromore, Tyrone.
My branch emigrated to New Zealand in 1875 and became Daisley by default.
From GRONI (1845 - 1910) it doesn't seem a very common name and it doesn't seem Gaelic either since it is not in the surname books. Possibly Huguenot?
Any pointers appreciated.
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Some info here:
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm?fuseaction=Go.&UserID=
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From GRONI (1845 - 1910) it doesn't seem a very common name and it doesn't seem Gaelic either since it is not in the surname books. Possibly Huguenot?
Any pointers appreciated.
The 1901 census for Ireland just has 2 Deazley households, both in Tyrone. (just 6 people) So the name is not common. Both those families were Church of Ireland. Daisley is slightly more common (24 people), nearly all born in Donegal. The majority were again Church of Ireland, but with some Presbyterians too (indicating Scottish origins). Both religious denominations, and the counties in which the people lived suggest to me that the name was brought to Ireland by settlers, probably at the time of the Plantation (ie 1600s). Some evidently from Scotland, but they may not all necessarily have originated there. English origins are also possible.
Most Huguenots tended to settle in the areas around the east of Ireland (often being associated with the linen industry). I haven’t heard of any settling in Tyrone or Donegal, so I’d be inclined to think that less likely.
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Hi,
I can find several Deazely marriages and births of two families in Dromore, Co. Tyrone. If you can provide some names and dates I may be able to add some more information.
Regards
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Thank you for the helpful answers.
I have a stray snippet saying that Charles DeAzeley bought a bankrupt estate at Corbally, Tyrone in 1685 (which is the year of the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes) and certainly the name of Charles Deazley figures in GRONI - one marrying in a C of I church in Dromore 1862, but also one at the Catholic Church Dromore in 1887. There are, however, no 'Charles' in my family. All James, John, William & Thomas and all Church of Ireland.
I have excerpted all the information for my family from GRONI, though most dates from the time after emigration in 1875, and I wondered if there was any resource for births or deaths before 1864 from parishes (Dromore) on line? I tried Emerald Ancestors but that basically gave the GRONI information.
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Rootsireland has baptisms for 4 Church of Ireland parishes in Co Tyrone on its site. The remainder (probably another 25) are not on-line anywhere, so far as I am aware. Copies of most parish records for Co Tyrone are held in PRONI but a personal visit is generally required to access them. Be aware too that many denominations records have gaps in them, and for the Church of Ireland a significant proportion of their early records were lost in the 1922 fire.
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Hi,
22 Apr 1856 John Deazely married Margaret Parke in Dromore Church of Ireland. They had
1868 Margaret
1870 William
1874 Thomas
20 Mar 1862 Charles Deazely married Mary Bond in Dromore Church of Ireland. They had
1864 James
1869 David
1871 Sarah Anne
There may be more children if you do a parent search on Familysearch site.
Regards
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Hi,
I did a look-up on Familysearch and sure enough John and Margaret had another daughter, Matilda, in 1865 and Charles and Mary also had Elizabeth in 1866 and Thomas in 1873.
Regards
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Again, thank you everyone for your help. I have looked up all the birth entries as noted by members; Matilda Jane (1865) Margaret (1868), William (1870) John (Deazley 1872) and Thomas (1874). The older children, Elizabeth (1857) James (1859) Catherine (1861) and Anne (1863) fall before the beginning of records.
Could I ask if anyone has come across obviously inaccurate records? The marriage cert of the parents, John Deazley and Margaret Park (22 April 1856) states that their respective fathers are Joseph and John. I think the writing is fainter and in a different hand from the foregoing details on the certificate. I am sure that John's father is James (died 1877 on GRONI), hence the name of the eldest son. There are no Josephs in the family. Margaret's father was Alexander Park (died 1869 and registered by John Deazely). The last child, born after arrival in New Zealand, was called Alexander as a consequence. One can never be too careful, but the scarcity of 'Deazelys' and the fact that John and Margaret were illiterate weighs somewhat. Alas, the New Zealand birth certificate of Alexander gives a different marriage date - and in 1858, not 1856, but that was recorded in 1877, after 20 years.
Regards
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Not every family followed a traditional naming pattern. If the first son was named James after John's father then the 2nd son (William) should have been named after Margaret's father yet her father was John (according to the marriage record yet you say he was Alexander). Using the same pattern the 3rd daughter should have been named Margaret after her mother (unless that was also one of the grandmothers' names) yet it was the 4th one that was named after her mother.
The certificate you mention- is it the Irish marriage certificate (1856) for John & Margaret? If so, can you post a snippet of the section with the fathers' names?
For reference here are some of the extracted records for the family-
marriage (1856)- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGCG-3YJ
Matilda Jane (1865) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5Y4-M9H
Margaret (1868) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FP1Y-M9P
William (1870) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPF9-SYN
John (1872) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPYM-77H
Thomas (1874) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FP19-XTB
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Good evening Aghadowey. Thank you for the interest in my problem. I can generally only concentrate on genealogy in the weekends.
The point is taken about the names and there is no consistent order in this case.
The facts are:
1. the NZ death certificate of Margaret Daisley (nee Park) in 1884 gives father as Alexander Park (farmer) and mother as Matilda Couter.
2. the church census of 1835 (presbyterian, Mullabane Townland, Dromore) gives Alexander Park as head of household with Matty Park (wife) and the last daughter named is Margaret who would have just been born. (incidentally there is no daughter named Catherine)
3. as mentioned the death certificate of Alexander Park in 1869 aged 65 shows the informant as John Deazely, occupier at Knocknahorn. Alexander's occupation is Cottier. He is a widower.
4. John Daisley's NZ death cert 1903 gives father as James Daisley (Shoemaker) and Eliza Vance.
5. As mentioned James Deazely,shoemaker died Drumlish Dromore in 1877 and the informant is Elizabeth Deazely who presumably is the wife since he is not called a widower.
6. The Catherine name among the children is replicated in a Catherine Daisley who accompanied my family when they emigrated to NZ in 1875. I don't know if she is a younger sister or niece of John.
In all, the facts seem to show that there is a mistake on the marriage cert. I tried to get a snippet to copy, but could not succeed sorry. I have photographed the page and will see if that works. It is good to get another opinion since I have jumped to wrong conclusions in the past.
Any comments welcomed.
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I have a few Deazeleys in my family tree. Mathew Deazeley (1842-1916) , his wife Catherine Caldwell (1851-1911) and their children Catherine, John, Mary Jane (Minnie), Mathew, Thomas and Charles were all born in Ireland (I think in Dromore, Tyrone) and moved to the Glasgow area of Scotland between 1891-1901. All these family members are in the 1901 Scotland Census. Their oldestvson James married Elizabeth Hamilton in Glasgow in 1897. Another son William Deazeley I believe remained in Ireland and died in 1897 in Tyrone. I think there was another daughter Lizzie who was born 1873. According to information on Mathew's death certificate in 1916 his parents were Mathew Deazeley (farmer) and Elizabeth Vance. It's possible that the father named as being Mathew is wrong as Mathew and Catherine's oldest son was called James and if the traditional naming pattern of calling the oldest son after his paternal grandfather was followed. Thomas Deazeley (1887-1953) married my Great Aunt. Also Mathew Deazeley's (1886-1958) daughter Jeannie married my Uncle.
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I am interested in a James Deazeley (1874-1925), parents Matthew Deazeley and Catherine (Caldwell) Deazeley, as mentioned earler.
James Deazeley married my great grand aunt Frances Cobbe in Coolbanagher, Queen's County in 1912. She was a spinster, but he was a widower. I am wondering if he is the same James Deazeley mentioned in this thread who married Elizabeth Hamilton in Glasgow. Did she die young, and did James return to Ireland? He died in Emo, County Laois in 1925, a long way from his county of birth in Tyrone.
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Is this James in 1911
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Emo/Morett/791026/
If so it says he has 6 children born 1 living.
Do you know who the living child was?
There is a James aged 11 born Scotland living with his Uncle and Aunt
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Ardue/Greaghrahan/338157/
Elizabeth is from Tyrone.
On their marriage cert Elizabeth’s father is Matthew
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10733/5913449.pdf
House2000 says they think there was also a daughter Lizzie born 1873 which fits with Elizabet’s age in 1911.
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And this is interesting death of Robert Deazley a few days old in 1910 informant W R Armstrong uncle in law
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05419/4514272.pdf
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This looks like Robert’s birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01564/1631175.pdf
The mother is Elizabeth Hamilton
And Elizabeth’s death
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05422/4515583.pdf
Her surname transcribed as Dearley.
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Wow, Sinann, many thanks for all that! I had only begun to research the background of James Deazeley, and his mysterious first marriage. I searched in vain for the death of his first wife Elizabeth Hamilton in the Scottish records, and all along, there she was in the Irish records - but mistranscribed, of course! You've given me a great boost. Thank you again!