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Title: William j bullock b1880
Post by: jill w on Saturday 30 August 14 11:05 BST (UK)
Hi all

I am looking for one of my ancestors his name is William j bullock b1880 I think, in burton upon Trent staffs I have found him on the 1881 census but no age was given  ??? He is living with parents joseph bullock and Mary Ann Hyde  and sisters Mary Ann,Emily,and rosa but I can not find him on the 1891 census so I presume he had died but I can not find a death date for him ??? .

Any info would be truly appreciated

Kind regards
Jill  :)
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 30 August 14 11:15 BST (UK)
Is this him:

1891

4, Oak Street, Stafford

Bullock William Head...age 40..Moulder in Cast Iron...Burton on Trent, Staffs.
Ann..Wife age 40
Mary Ann age 16..Dressmaker
William J....Son age 10
Elizabeth M. age 6

All born Burton on Trent

Carol

Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: jill w on Saturday 30 August 14 11:20 BST (UK)
Hi there

Sorry no I have found his parents and siblings on the 1891 census but he wasn't there  ???

But thanks for looking  :)

Kind regards
Jill  :)
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: GrannyM on Saturday 30 August 14 11:44 BST (UK)
I know you have said you have found Joseph and Mary Ann in 1891 but I have found this on freecen for 1891
Piece: RG12/2397 Place: Birmingham -Warwickshire Enumeration District: 15
Civil Parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
Folio: 64 Page: 21 Schedule: 136
Address: 1 Tavistock Place

        Surname       First name(s)       Rel       Status       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
        BULLOCK       Joseph       Head       M       M       48       Packer(Em'ee)        Staffordshire - Willenhall           
        BULLOCK       Mary A       Wife       M       F       48       -        Staffordshire - Pattingham           
        BULLOCK       George       Son       S       M       28       Packer(Em'ee)        Warwickshire - Birmingham           
        BULLOCK       William       Son       S       M       24       Packer(Em'ee)        Warwickshire - Birmingham           
        BULLOCK       James       Son       S       M       19       Striker(Em'ee)        Warwickshire - Birmingham           
        BULLOCK       Albert       Son       S       M       14       Machinist(Em'ee)        Warwickshire - Birmingham           
        BULLOCK       Gertrude       Dau       S       F       10       Scholar        Warwickshire - Birmingham           
        BULLOCK       Rose       Dau       S       F       7       Scholar        Warwickshire - Birmingham           
        BULLOCK       Mary E       Dau       S       F       4       Scholar        Warwickshire - Birmingham           
    
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 30 August 14 11:46 BST (UK)
I'm a bit confused.
Is this him in 1881;
Alfred Bullock  31
 Annie Bullock  29
 Mary A. Bullock  6
 Emily Bullock  4
 Rosa Bullock  3
 William J. Bullock 11 mo.   
 Eliza Toon  44
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 30 August 14 11:50 BST (UK)
& again in 1891:
Alfred Bullock  41
 Mary A Bullock  38
 Mary A Bullock  16
 Emily Bullock  14
 Rosa Bullock  12
 Louisa Bullock  9
 Alfred E Bullock  4
 Ann Deveraux  78
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 30 August 14 12:00 BST (UK)
Have you discounted this one:
Deaths Sep 1881
BULLOCK  William Thomas  1  Burton  6b 200
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: GrannyM on Saturday 30 August 14 12:01 BST (UK)
jim1...I am little confused too....some online trees have William J Bullock's father as Alfred Joseph Bullock...
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 30 August 14 12:06 BST (UK)
This is William's birth:
William Thomas Bullock
christening: 9 June 1880 Holy Trinity, Burton-upon-Trent
father: Alfred Bullock
mother: Ann
 
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: Annette7 on Saturday 30 August 14 12:08 BST (UK)
You've listed the wrong parents for 1881 census - have found he and his siblings that you list but parents are Alfred and Annie (details of census as posted by jim1).

However, I think it is actually William T. (not J.) and a William Thomas Bullock b.Sept.qtr.1880 died Sept.qtr.1881 in Burton on Trent.

Annette

Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 30 August 14 12:11 BST (UK)
This looks like Alfred's marriage:
Alfred Joseph Bullock
birth: 1849 
marriage: 30 April 1873 Holy Trinity, Burton-Upon-Trent
father: Joseph Bullock
spouse: Mary Ann Joynes
other: Joseph Joynes

The info's wrong isn't it.
 
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 30 August 14 12:15 BST (UK)
There's no Mary Ann Hyde marriage to a ? Bullock
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: Annette7 on Saturday 30 August 14 12:19 BST (UK)
The online trees seem up the pole!

Alfred Joseph Bullock married Mary Ann Joynes, dau. of Joseph Joynes, 30/4/1873 Holy Trinity, Burton upon Trent (familysearch).

Annette
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: Annette7 on Saturday 30 August 14 12:23 BST (UK)
Sorry jim1 - we keep crossing over!

Annette
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 30 August 14 12:55 BST (UK)
This appears to be William T's parents in 1881:

Joseph Bullock  58
 Ann Bullock  50
 William T. Bullock  26
 Joseph H. Bullock  23
 Jemima Bullock  21
 Elizabeth Bullock  16
 Lydia Bullock  14
 Thomas Bullock  10
 
The trees are all over the place and unreliable.

Edited...Scrap that...he's too old ::)

Carol
 
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: GrannyM on Saturday 30 August 14 13:05 BST (UK)
eeek...I really got myself in a tangle with this one ;D

I think I agree with Annette7(good job someone is on the ball today!)...the William T b.1880  appears to be a William J in the 1881 census with parents Alfred and Mary Ann and dies shortly after. The William J also b. 1880 with parents William and Ann in 1891 I think dies in 1894, age 14.
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: jill w on Saturday 30 August 14 13:16 BST (UK)
Hi all

Thanks guys sorry all a bit confusing but think we got there in the end I will get the death cert for William and let you know if its him  :)


Thanks once again  :)

Kind regards
Jill w  :)
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: Annette7 on Saturday 30 August 14 13:17 BST (UK)
Alfred's wife shown on census as born Ticknall, Derbyshire ca. 1853 and indeed there is a Mary Ann Joynes birth reg'd Ashby de la Zouch in Dec.qtr.1852!   I first thought, looking at census, she appears to be the daughter of Joseph and a Hannah. (In 1851 the family are in Derby listed on Ancestry as 'Jognes' - by 1861 Joseph is listed as a widower) but there is a baptism on familysearch for a Mary Ann Joynes 19/11/1854 Ticknall, dau. of Hannah Joynes so obviously illegitimate.

Hannah Joynes, dau. of John Joynes,  appears to marry a Joseph Hyde, son of John, 16/4/1855 Ticknall (familysearch) and on 1861 Census Mary Ann is listed as Hyde so I am guessing this is why his wife is shown on the trees as Mary Ann Hyde.   The name given for Mary Ann's father when she married - Joseph Joynes - is a corruption of her birth surname, and Christian name of 'step' father.   There is no way of knowing is Joseph Hyde was actually her father - I suspect not since she married as Joynes!

Why do so many online trees state incorrect information!  Mary Ann was born as Joynes, baptised as Joynes, married as Joynes and there appears to be no proof that her mothers subsequent husband - Joseph Hyde - was actually Mary Ann's father!

Annette   

Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 30 August 14 13:33 BST (UK)
Nice work Jim & Annette....That's the problem with online trees...If one person gets it wrong and others copy the info....you end up with a hybrid  ::)
Carol
Title: Re: William j bullock b1880
Post by: jill w on Saturday 30 August 14 13:47 BST (UK)
Hi all

Thanks sooo much for helping me out we have definatly got the right family Annette I didn't realise she might be illegitimate will have to get her birth cert and take a look I will let you all know with this one and William

Thanks once again
Jill :)