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Hi all
I am looking for one of my ancestors his name is William j bullock b1880 I think, in burton upon Trent staffs I have found him on the 1881 census but no age was given ??? He is living with parents joseph bullock and Mary Ann Hyde and sisters Mary Ann,Emily,and rosa but I can not find him on the 1891 census so I presume he had died but I can not find a death date for him ??? .
Any info would be truly appreciated
Kind regards
Jill :)
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Is this him:
1891
4, Oak Street, Stafford
Bullock William Head...age 40..Moulder in Cast Iron...Burton on Trent, Staffs.
Ann..Wife age 40
Mary Ann age 16..Dressmaker
William J....Son age 10
Elizabeth M. age 6
All born Burton on Trent
Carol
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Hi there
Sorry no I have found his parents and siblings on the 1891 census but he wasn't there ???
But thanks for looking :)
Kind regards
Jill :)
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I know you have said you have found Joseph and Mary Ann in 1891 but I have found this on freecen for 1891
Piece: RG12/2397 Place: Birmingham -Warwickshire Enumeration District: 15
Civil Parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
Folio: 64 Page: 21 Schedule: 136
Address: 1 Tavistock Place
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BULLOCK Joseph Head M M 48 Packer(Em'ee) Staffordshire - Willenhall
BULLOCK Mary A Wife M F 48 - Staffordshire - Pattingham
BULLOCK George Son S M 28 Packer(Em'ee) Warwickshire - Birmingham
BULLOCK William Son S M 24 Packer(Em'ee) Warwickshire - Birmingham
BULLOCK James Son S M 19 Striker(Em'ee) Warwickshire - Birmingham
BULLOCK Albert Son S M 14 Machinist(Em'ee) Warwickshire - Birmingham
BULLOCK Gertrude Dau S F 10 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
BULLOCK Rose Dau S F 7 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
BULLOCK Mary E Dau S F 4 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
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I'm a bit confused.
Is this him in 1881;
Alfred Bullock 31
Annie Bullock 29
Mary A. Bullock 6
Emily Bullock 4
Rosa Bullock 3
William J. Bullock 11 mo.
Eliza Toon 44
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& again in 1891:
Alfred Bullock 41
Mary A Bullock 38
Mary A Bullock 16
Emily Bullock 14
Rosa Bullock 12
Louisa Bullock 9
Alfred E Bullock 4
Ann Deveraux 78
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Have you discounted this one:
Deaths Sep 1881
BULLOCK William Thomas 1 Burton 6b 200
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jim1...I am little confused too....some online trees have William J Bullock's father as Alfred Joseph Bullock...
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This is William's birth:
William Thomas Bullock
christening: 9 June 1880 Holy Trinity, Burton-upon-Trent
father: Alfred Bullock
mother: Ann
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You've listed the wrong parents for 1881 census - have found he and his siblings that you list but parents are Alfred and Annie (details of census as posted by jim1).
However, I think it is actually William T. (not J.) and a William Thomas Bullock b.Sept.qtr.1880 died Sept.qtr.1881 in Burton on Trent.
Annette
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This looks like Alfred's marriage:
Alfred Joseph Bullock
birth: 1849
marriage: 30 April 1873 Holy Trinity, Burton-Upon-Trent
father: Joseph Bullock
spouse: Mary Ann Joynes
other: Joseph Joynes
The info's wrong isn't it.
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There's no Mary Ann Hyde marriage to a ? Bullock
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The online trees seem up the pole!
Alfred Joseph Bullock married Mary Ann Joynes, dau. of Joseph Joynes, 30/4/1873 Holy Trinity, Burton upon Trent (familysearch).
Annette
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Sorry jim1 - we keep crossing over!
Annette
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This appears to be William T's parents in 1881:
Joseph Bullock 58
Ann Bullock 50
William T. Bullock 26
Joseph H. Bullock 23
Jemima Bullock 21
Elizabeth Bullock 16
Lydia Bullock 14
Thomas Bullock 10
The trees are all over the place and unreliable.
Edited...Scrap that...he's too old ::)
Carol
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eeek...I really got myself in a tangle with this one ;D
I think I agree with Annette7(good job someone is on the ball today!)...the William T b.1880 appears to be a William J in the 1881 census with parents Alfred and Mary Ann and dies shortly after. The William J also b. 1880 with parents William and Ann in 1891 I think dies in 1894, age 14.
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Hi all
Thanks guys sorry all a bit confusing but think we got there in the end I will get the death cert for William and let you know if its him :)
Thanks once again :)
Kind regards
Jill w :)
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Alfred's wife shown on census as born Ticknall, Derbyshire ca. 1853 and indeed there is a Mary Ann Joynes birth reg'd Ashby de la Zouch in Dec.qtr.1852! I first thought, looking at census, she appears to be the daughter of Joseph and a Hannah. (In 1851 the family are in Derby listed on Ancestry as 'Jognes' - by 1861 Joseph is listed as a widower) but there is a baptism on familysearch for a Mary Ann Joynes 19/11/1854 Ticknall, dau. of Hannah Joynes so obviously illegitimate.
Hannah Joynes, dau. of John Joynes, appears to marry a Joseph Hyde, son of John, 16/4/1855 Ticknall (familysearch) and on 1861 Census Mary Ann is listed as Hyde so I am guessing this is why his wife is shown on the trees as Mary Ann Hyde. The name given for Mary Ann's father when she married - Joseph Joynes - is a corruption of her birth surname, and Christian name of 'step' father. There is no way of knowing is Joseph Hyde was actually her father - I suspect not since she married as Joynes!
Why do so many online trees state incorrect information! Mary Ann was born as Joynes, baptised as Joynes, married as Joynes and there appears to be no proof that her mothers subsequent husband - Joseph Hyde - was actually Mary Ann's father!
Annette
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Nice work Jim & Annette....That's the problem with online trees...If one person gets it wrong and others copy the info....you end up with a hybrid ::)
Carol
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Hi all
Thanks sooo much for helping me out we have definatly got the right family Annette I didn't realise she might be illegitimate will have to get her birth cert and take a look I will let you all know with this one and William
Thanks once again
Jill :)