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Title: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Lance Matthews on Sunday 31 August 14 13:52 BST (UK)
Looking for information regarding Bernard Whately and wife Mary Anne ? who had been married to ? Fearne. Bernard married Mary Anne about 1890 in Co.Dublin, where she was born about 1864.
Would like to know what her maiden name was before she married ? Fearne. Their first child, John Fearne was born about 1883, Dublin City.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 31 August 14 20:33 BST (UK)
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/5866740058471
Doesn't look like she was married before, father Patrick Fearie which I expect is your Fearne
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 31 August 14 20:49 BST (UK)
Could this be John's birth
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FB4Z-XM9
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Lance Matthews on Sunday 31 August 14 20:55 BST (UK)
Thank you for both replies. Does this mean the 1901 census is wrong. I have found the Fearn's in 1911 census. I am very sure that the original marriage certificate for Mary Anne & Bernard is correct.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 31 August 14 21:00 BST (UK)
Looking at the original image I'm getting less convinced by her father's surname, the f doesn't look much like the f of her name.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 31 August 14 21:05 BST (UK)
Of course it's not his surname silly me, fathers surname isn't recorded on that line but if it's not what is it?
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 31 August 14 21:10 BST (UK)
This family http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/North_Clarence_St_/1323279/
So there are 4 children listed as step children to Bernard, with the surname Fearn.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: dathai on Sunday 31 August 14 21:12 BST (UK)
Family Search civil reg shows Mary Anne Connor on same page as Mary Anne Fearn in 1890
which leads to John Fearn and Mary Anne Connor marriage Balrothery 1882 July Sep vol 2 page 355.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: annclare on Sunday 31 August 14 21:13 BST (UK)
I read parents names as Patrick Connor and Mary Ann Gaffney.
What does anybody else think.
Added: on parish marriage  record

annclare
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 31 August 14 21:21 BST (UK)
Christina https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBC8-1Z6
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 31 August 14 21:23 BST (UK)
Connor, great eyesight boys and girls, guess the transcriber just assumed he had the same name as his daughter.

Just shows the value of seeing the original and nicely crossed referenced with the Civil Reg
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: dathai on Sunday 31 August 14 21:48 BST (UK)
Griffiths Valuation shows a Patrick Connor in Yellow Walls,Malahide in 1850.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Lance Matthews on Sunday 31 August 14 22:13 BST (UK)
What a privilege to be in the presence  of such clever people.
Would you know who the parents of FELIX WHATELY & ROSE MC NULTY were.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: annclare on Sunday 31 August 14 23:01 BST (UK)
Probably the family in Dundalk in 1901 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Louth/Dundalk_Urban_No__3/Anne_Street/1561034/
annclare
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 31 August 14 23:14 BST (UK)
So this could be a possible death for Felix
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FT8B-JZC
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 31 August 14 23:17 BST (UK)
If those two are correct than Northern Ireland would be the likely place to look for their births
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Lance Matthews on Monday 01 September 14 08:53 BST (UK)
I will look in the North. Can you throw any light on Bernard and Mary Anne's children. Felix b 1892, Rose Martha b.1893, Florence b.1895 (may have died Dublin 1942), Eleanor Mary b. 1897 and finally Monica, b. 1902. Just interested to know if any of them married.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Sinann on Monday 01 September 14 09:01 BST (UK)
You could have a go yourself
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927084
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: dathai on Monday 01 September 14 09:04 BST (UK)
Just a little observation re Bernard and Mary Anne's marriage in case you are wondering who the witnessess are. Joseph Kinahan and Margaret Connolly.
I was doing a friends family tree and searching for a couple who both turned out to be widowers and the wife gave her name as Kinahan so seeing Joseph Kinahan as witness of course i surmised a brother or relative..wrong
Joseph Kinahan is the Clerk in St Marys Pro Cathedral and can be found on 1901 Census age 34 at Marlborough St,
Margaret Connolly i cant find on the Census but she along with Joseph appear as witnesses to a few of the other marriages on the same page as Bernard and Mary Anne so not related.
Odd that they had no relatives as witness.

Dathai.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Lance Matthews on Monday 01 September 14 09:13 BST (UK)
Thank you for this. Seemed odd that Bernard did not have one of his brothers as a witness. I will use the sites given for Dublin. Think I really want to find out about Bernard's father, Felix, who may have been born about 1833 in Co. Armagh.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: dathai on Monday 01 September 14 09:21 BST (UK)
Florence and Rose possibly still unmarried in 1939
1939 reg of Electors
Florence and Rose Whatley 9 Summer St,South.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Lance Matthews on Monday 01 September 14 09:32 BST (UK)
Thank you, that is most helpful.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: dathai on Monday 01 September 14 09:47 BST (UK)
1939 reg of electors 11 Dunnes Row,Ballybough
John Fearn
Margaret
John Jnr
Francis
Felix

have to be over 21 to appear on list.

Edit
These addresses can be followed up till 1964 approx at Pearse St,Library.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Lance Matthews on Monday 01 September 14 09:57 BST (UK)
Please excuse my stupidity, but was Mary Anne Fearie the wife of Bernard Whatley. Mary Anne's parents shown as Patrick Fearie and Mary Anne Gaffrey. I got a little lost with this exchange. I know the parents of Bernard are correct.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: dathai on Monday 01 September 14 10:21 BST (UK)
Parick Connor and Mary Anne Gaffney
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: dathai on Monday 01 September 14 10:29 BST (UK)
I presume when you said Florence possibly died 1942 that you are referring to the burial in 1942 of that name in Mt Gerome.
Just in case i have found who that may be
A Frank Whatley joined Guinness in 1909 age 34 as a Cooper he died in 1931 his wife's name was Florence Whatley.
This is not definite but keep note of it.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Lance Matthews on Monday 01 September 14 10:44 BST (UK)
Thank you for clearing up the matter regarding the parents of Mary Anne.
I found the record for the burial of Florence on the internet, no concrete evidence.
Bernard's son, b. 1892, Felix shows on the 1901 census, but nowhere on the 1911 census.
Cannot find a Frank Whatley linked to Bernard's generation. The rest of Bernard's family were from Dundalk.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: dathai on Monday 01 September 14 10:45 BST (UK)
That Florence died in Dec 1942 death registered in Jan 1943 age 64 so most likely Frank Whatley's wife and possibly the lady on the 1939 reg of electors
A Florence Whately died in 1918 aged 19 5yrs out with the age for your Florence but looking the more likely candidate.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Lance Matthews on Monday 01 September 14 11:00 BST (UK)
Thank you, will give your input some consideration.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: dathai on Monday 01 September 14 11:53 BST (UK)
1911 census of Clinches Court  for Bernard Whately says 7 born 6 alive could this account for Felix.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Lance Matthews on Monday 01 September 14 12:08 BST (UK)
Yes, I think it can be the only logical explanation.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: dathai on Monday 01 September 14 12:14 BST (UK)
A John Fearn married Margaret Canavan Dublin North in April June 1906 vol 2 page 485
1911 census of 18 Courtney's Place
John Fearn age 26 Car Owner
Margaret age 26 married 5yrs 2 born
John age 4
Daniel age 2
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: Lance Matthews on Monday 01 September 14 12:33 BST (UK)
Yes, I found the below in the 1911 Census. I was only looking for Fearn because I thought it was the maiden name of Bernard's wife.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: dathai on Monday 01 September 14 13:05 BST (UK)
A Monica Wheatley appears on the birth register 1902 no one on 1911 census of that name other than your Monica there is a marriage in Dublin North in 1923 for a Monica Wheatley.

Edit
Thomas McKenna showing on same page July Sep 1923 vol 2 page 294,Dublin North.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: dathai on Monday 01 September 14 13:34 BST (UK)
1939 reg of electors show a Thomas and Monica McKenna at 2 St Bridgets Avenue,North Dock.
Family Search show four births in Dublin North between 1929 and 1940 McKenna/Wheatley.
Title: Re: Whately - Fearne
Post by: MaryFĺor on Wednesday 07 September 16 12:37 BST (UK)
Thank you Jamjar for the link, I have checked it and these are not the same Whatley's as my Grandparents. Many thanks for your help.