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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Westmeath => Topic started by: debs14 on Thursday 04 September 14 19:55 BST (UK)
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Hi ive found a relative of mine has married a lady from the above place i think,according to a birth and baptism record on ancestry search.
Mary Ann Frances Hayden b 1911,i have a ireland select catholic birth and baptism 30th Oct 1911 father telu hayden and mary,
I have looked on 1901/11 census for the family but cant find anything,There is a peter whos married to a mary but with my mary not been born till oct 1911 shes not on the census,is there any way i can find anything on this family please.
Im wanting any info on marys parents and family and whenand how she located to england,she married in 1938 my relative James William Barratt in my home town scunthorpe lincs she died 1997 Winterton Lincs
Many thanks for any help
Debbie
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This appears to be her Civil Cert https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FB5G-R6T
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The birth certificate will list her parents' names - I suspect that 'Telu' for her father's name in the baptism transcript is an error.
Searched 1911 census for a Mary Hayden in Westmeath and of the 4 results this is only likely one- if the birth certificate says father is Peter Hayden then it's right, if not then back to the drawing board.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Westmeath/Mullingar_North_Urban/Military_Road/885909/
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Unfortunately RootsIreland Westmeath baptism records don't go up to 1911 so can't check that way.
Looks like the birth cert is the only way forward
To order it
See here
https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx
Don't worry about parts of the form you can't fill in, just be sure to give the Name, Quarter, District, Vol and Page Number.
Get a Research Cert
And include your Email to receive it that way.
It costs €4.
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Hi many thanks yes I have her birth certificate along with her baptism and the problem I have is that it gives her father as telu and mother mary,
but according to census 1901 military rd ,Mullingar and 1911 Military rd ,Mullingar there are 2 peter and mary marriages with children but unfortunately because my mary ann frances wasent born till oct 1911 shes not on either of them, and because I cant find any Telu and mary marriages, or Peter Hayden and a mary marriage as i don't know her maiden name) anywhere in Ireland records I was hoping someone may know of another way I can find who this telu/peter is and any info on there family before mary ann frances was born as I have no info on her family for my tree.
many thanks
Debbie
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Did the father sign the Certs?
Look at Peter Hayden sigunture on the Census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003548496/
Plus how the enumerator wrote it.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003548409/
Can you post a snippet of his sigunture if you have it.
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Hi Debbie
Can you just clarify what EXACTLY was on her marriage record to James Barrett ?!
Where have you gotten that she was from Mullingar, Westmeath ?
Tara
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Possible marriage based on the relatives on 1911 censushttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYZQ-L2F
Which matches with Peter Hayden
Edit just learning how to copy and paste that one did'nt seem to work out
However
Mary Dinnigin
Marriage
Mullingar 1899
Oct Dec vol 3 page 198 match Peter Hayden
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Mullingar_North_Urban/Military_Road/1783274
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i think Peter was married before
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Possible marriage based on the relatives on 1911 censushttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYZQ-L2F
Which matches with Peter Hayden
Edit just learning how to copy and paste that one did'nt seem to work out
However
Mary Dinnigin
Marriage
Mullingar 1899
Oct Dec vol 3 page 198 match Peter Hayden
You just missed the space after census for the link to work-
Possible marriage based on the relatives on 1911 census https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYZQ-L2F
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Thank you Aghadowey i finally got my 14yr old grandaughter to explain it to me.
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Congrats dathai you up and running with the link posting ;D
So does anyone think the way Peter signed his nameit could be read as Telu?
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So does anyone think the way Peter signed his nameit could be read as Telu?
If you look at the 1901 census signature it's a possibility but the original register entry (not a transcript) would probably soon sort this out.
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FB88-86X
If right family this should help get Peters first marriage.
Edit
Sinann i think you are bang on with the signature
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F52Z-GSQ
possible birth for Mary Dinnigan
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Hi Debbie
Can you just clarify what EXACTLY was on her marriage record to James Barrett ?!
Where have you gotten that she was from Mullingar, Westmeath ?
Tara
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Hi Tara,the marriage record is on free bmd 7a 2026,they was married in my home town Scunthorpe
1938.I found her husbands grave and it gave her name on it also,so i searched for a birth and i came across irreland civil registration births on ancesrtry site and it gave her birth as Mullingar Westmeath and also a catholic baptism also on ancestry site You have attached this record to:
Hayden, Mary Ann Frances in your tree "Storrs/Barnes" Remove
Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958 about Mary Anne Frances Hayden
Name: Mary Anne Frances Hayden
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1911
Registration district: Mullingar
Volume: 3
Page: 196
FHL Film Number: 101074
also baptism where her dad is named Talu
Ireland, Select Catholic Birth and Baptism Registers, 1763-1912 about Mary A Frances Hayden
Name: Mary A Frances Hayden
Birth Date: 30 Oct 1911
Baptism Date: 31 Oct 1911
Baptism Place: Mullingar, Westmeath, Ireland
Father: Telu Hayden
Mother: Mary
Gravestone:
http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/2013/311/119979624_138391341059.jpg
it was the gravestone that gave me her name so did the search for mary ann frances marrying a james william barratt and caqme up with her maiden name hayden hence then finding the birth and catholic baptism,but thats all iv found except the 2 census 190 and 1911 but cant glean anything from them as shes not in them,but hhave looked at them and im fairly certain its the right family,
many thanks for your help
debbie xxx
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Hi to you all who have posted on her with replies to my question,
I am know begining to think that the family peter and mary hayden in 1901/1911 census maybe the right family as suggested by a few of you i checked the signatures and the adjudicator and he seems to have written telu instead of peter,and as for the other marriage for peter i will check this out via the links you have given me,along with his marriage to mary who i think is my mary ann frances's mother.
many thanks to all of your for your help on this matter, i am also going to try and find out about peter(dads) army career as on one of the census it hashim as military.
so once again many thanks and if you find anything else it will be greatly recieved
Debbie xxx
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The Census was filled in by Peter, the house and building return by the Enumerator.
You should order the birth cert and see the names for yourself.
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Longford/Longford_No__1_Urban/Chapel_Lane/1555616/
Nephew and Niece
Michael and Mary Dinnigan who are with the Hayden's in 1911
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Hi Debbie
I could be WAY off here but I am still concerned re your research.
Do you have an ACTUAL marriage cert for Mary Anne that says her father's name was Peter ?
Do you have ACTUAL information that says that she was FROM Mullingar, Westmeath PRIOR to looking for a birth / baptism in Ireland ?
It's just that you have phrased most of your answers with 'I came across' OR 'I Think' ~ 2 phrases that I worry about hearing someone saying in regards to their family tree.
I'm just hoping that you haven't 'by chance' run with the first Mary Hayden that you found on ancestry.
As I say, I could be WAY off and I could be reading your messages incorrectly :)
Tara
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Just having another read of this thread and I have to agree with Tara, you need the marriage cert to make sure you are following the correct woman.
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Hi all,
I can confirm that Debbie is on the right track, as Mary Anne Frances Hayden (Barrett) was my great aunt, and I can recollect visiting her at Winterton, Lincolnshire.
I also have more information on the family, through my own research.
Dave