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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Glamorganshire Lookup Requests => Glamorganshire => Wales => Glamorganshire Completed Lookups => Topic started by: sirsimon on Friday 05 September 14 14:31 BST (UK)
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Hello
David Watkins was born in 1883 in Neath to William and Kate Watkins
Where is he in the 1911 census?
I know it against the policy of rootschat to post the 1911 census, but could someone at least help locate a marriage and any children he had?
my thanks
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Did he have a middle name ? David Henry ?
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As far as I know he only was just named David
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What was his address and occupation in 1901 ?
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You are still asking for info from the 1911 census which is not allowed in any form.
Free BMD would show you the possible marriages - with such a popular name there would be loads of possibilities and difficult to know if any were yours.
Sandra
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Latest address I can find is in 1891 census
1891 - 8 Cribb's Row, Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales
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1901 - 6 Pontohyddn ??? Cottage, Ecclesiastical Parish: Llangynwyd St Cynwyd Glamorgan - Registration district: Bridgend
RG13 Piece 5042 Folio 28 Page 8.
Sandra
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I am not sure :-\
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I am not sure :-\
Sorry you will have to explain what you mean.
The 1901 census shows the same family who lived at 8 Cribbs Row Neath in 1891.
Sandra
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Sorry for the confusion
The census page you gave doesn't come up on my heritage website
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Doesn't seem to be a problem with the surname, shows the same parents , siblings etc as 1891. (plus the new additions) Have you tried looking each family member up individually ? Seems strange they wouldn't be on My Heritage. ??? But not a web-site I've used. Maybe your trying to do to many different lines at the same time and you've missed seeing them.
Sandra
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Odd
I still cannot find them on the site even though I have checked each of them, may be that the names or location has been mistranscribed
Don't worry about it :)
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It is definitely the same family on the 1901 - William and Catherine plus 8 children. David is given as David H Watkins. That might help you to find him on the 1911 and a marriage. As Sandra said we are not allowed to give or ask for any information that could only have come from the 1911.
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Thank you
I found him, the first name was written out of whack, but the addition of a middle named helped greatly
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Rosie did ask the question about a middle name in reply 1 - sometimes that can really help in searching. There was a birth record for a David Henry Watkins - Q1 Jan 1883 Neath Glamorgan - 11 a 615. Really need to search through these records and get the full facts and not just guess. Just a small point but if you had found the correct birth it would have shown you the middle name and made your search to find David easier.
More difficult to pin down a marriage - if you have looked at free BMD you will see how many David Watkins in Neath and Glamorgan between 1901 - 1920.
Sandra
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understood :)
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The marriage of David Henry Watkins appears to have taken place 28 February 1920 Parish Church Llangywyd, Wales. (No source - can't see it listed on Free BMD - so needs checked to verify.
Probate gives the name of widow :- 29 July 1939 - David Henry Watkins of 1 Park View, New Rd, Tondu, nr Bridgend, Glamorgan died 19 Mar 1939. Probate Llandaff 29 July 39 to Minnie Watkins widow. Effects: £788
Sandra
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The probate for Minnie Watkins - 2 Feb 1955 - shows there was a son - Minnie Watkins of Park View, New Road, Tondu, Glamorgan widow died 9 July 1954. Administration London 2 Feb 55 to David Hy Watkins aircraft fitter & Lucy Richards (wife of Wm Griffith Richards). Effects: £2266
If you check free bmd March 1915 - Bridgend - 11a 1981 - birth could be him.
and possibly a sister Lucy - Sept 1911 - Bridgend - 11a 2007
and maybe a brother William E - Sept 1913 - Bridgend - 11a 1931 who may have died June 1919 - Bridgend - - 11 a 798
Minnie previously married to William Jacka - born 11 August 1879 in Tolgas, Illogan, Cornwall - Died 22 January 1920 in Illogan, Cornwall.
Free BMD Redruth - 5c 250 - March 1920 - William Jacka.
Free BMD Redruth - 5c 332 - July/Aug/Sept 1903 - William Jacka and Minnie Matthews.
Explains the delay in the marriage of David Henry Watkins and Minnie Jacka/Matthews.
On the WW1 Service record William Jacks says he is married but living apart from wife.
Sandra
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Is this the marriage with his name wrong?
MINNIE JACKA
March quarter 1920
Spouse's last name WATKINS
Bridgend
Glamorganshire Wales
Volume 11A Page 1500
Spouse DANIEL H WATKINS
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That's it - well done you. ;D Maybe we both might get a smiley face for all this info ;D Team effort. ;D
Cheers
Sandra
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;)
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The daughter of David and Minnie , Lucy Watkins married in 1931
Richards William G Watkins Bridgend 11a 1807
Watkins Lucy Richards Bridgend 11a 1807
Births Sep 1911
WATKINS Lucy Matthews Bridgend 11a 2007
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Think this thread is completed - the original question for info on the marriage and children was a difficult one with so many David Watkins around but with perseverance we did find an answer.
Time and efforts not acknowledged - that says it all - :-\
Sandra
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thank you all
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Looking at free bmd, William and Minnie had a number of children
Violet May Jacka 1903 Redruth
Hilda May Jacka 1904 Redruth
However there are listed on the census as being the children of David henry Watkins and Minnie and there are two other children, Hilda and Reginald listed, but I cannot find them on the free bmd, plus Violet's age on the census is inaccurate by four years
Pretty confusing
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There is only 1 Hilda. Think you mean Phyllis (not Hilda) is Phyllis Matthews Jacka - Sept 1906 - Redruth - 5c 175
Reginald could be William Reginald - Sept 1905 - Redruth - 5c 184
Violet Laura - Dec 1907 - Bridgend - 11a 874
Violet May Jacka belongs to an entirely different family - she the daughter of John Jacka and Emily Treglown ::)
Sandra
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thank you, makes sense, at least that confusion was cleared up.
It looks like William never had children with Minnie, unless there are his children, but listed as David's on the census because they were having an affair behind his back
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Look carefully at the census as well, it doesn't say they are the children of David and Minnie as they are not married and Minnie is listed as Minnie Jacka and as head of house. They, apart from perhaps the last one, judging by their place of birth are Minnie and William's children.
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Yes, definitely the children of Minnie and William - apart from Violet Laura perhaps.
Sandra
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. It looks like William never had children with Minnie, unless there are his children, but listed as David's on the census because they were having an affair behind his back
How do you reach that conclusion when all but one of the children were born in Redruth? They are not listed as his children, they are Minnie's children.
You do need to be careful not to jump to conclusions but to consider the facts carefully.
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no problem
Looking at it again, you are right, they are all William's children
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No. Perhaps not Violet Laura - Birth registered Bridgend ??? Would need a birth cert to be sure on that one.
Sandra
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Querying Violet Laura. She was my grandmother. She was Minnie and William Jacka's daughter. Minnie moved to Tondu, Bridgend whilst pregnant with Violet. David and Lucy Watkins are Minnie and David Watkins children. Quite correct they did not marry until William Jacka died. All the other children, William Reginald (k/a Reginald), Phyllis, and Hilda were Jacka's.
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thank you
It certainly clears things up and its very interesting that Violet was your grandmother
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Welcome to RootsChat, Shirley.
That is good that you were able to clarify that Violet was Minnie and William's child and not David's and that you agree with what Sandra and I had concluded.
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Hi guys
Looking at the bmd, looks like David and Minnie had a third child other than David and Lucy, William E Watkins, born 1913
Watkins William E Matthews Bridgend 11a 1931