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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: JoeNavoa on Friday 05 September 14 23:03 BST (UK)
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I have a 1900 U.S. Census that lists my great-grandfather's father as being from Ballimore, Scotland. I have not been able to find anyone named Otterson in the Census of Scotland. I think he might have been from Otter's Ferry, and it might be no coincidence with the name Otterson.
Any suggestions on where to look?
thanks in advance for your help.
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Hi JoeNavoa
Can you post the entry from 1900 in full to help everyone trying to connect to Scottish info for him?
Monica :)
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I took a very quick look at 1900 U.S. Census and didn't see anyone named Otterson born in Scotland :-\
Some of the same spelling variations you were given on the Co. Down topic will also apply to Scotland-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=696699
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I have an image of the census. How do I post that here?
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You can't post the whole image (due to copyright etc.), but you can post snippets to help with deciphering.
Alternatively, if you can provide some references to the entry so that we can find the original that way, this will likely help too.
Monica :)
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Robert Otterson, residing in St. Louis in 1900. His birthplace is listed as Ireland. His father's (John Otterson) birthplace is handwritten and then overwritten as "Baltimore" but it looks like it was corrected (!) and the original was "Ballimore." The transcription says "Baltimore." I believe it was transcribed incorrectly.
I have a record of Robert Otterson's wife traveling to Carrowdore, Ireland to visit her inlaws. That places John Otterson living in Northern Ireland in 1895.
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Hi
Here's the snip. I read it as Baltimore.
Gadget
PS his mother was born Ireland - next col.
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Well, it's no wonder I couldn't find the 1900 census entry- your original post said " have a 1900 U.S. Census that lists my great-grandfather's father as being from Ballimore, Scotland."
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It should be Ballimore. It was corrected erroneously. It would not make sense that he was born in Ireland, but his father is from Baltimore. Also, the census rep. would not list a U.S. city in this field, right? It makes no sense. I learned long ago not to assume that the transcription is correct. Look at the image, it could be Balli- something - ore. Definitely NOT Baltimore. There is no record of him being born in the U.S.
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Have to confess that I'm totally confused here. You've posted this on Argyllshire, Scotland board and orginally mentioned "Ballimore, Scotland" but now you say Ballimore, Ireland ???
Like Gadget I read the census word as Baltimore so I'm wondering if you've considered Baltimore in Co. Cork, Ireland?
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the census rep. would not list a U.S. city in this field, right? It makes no sense.
If his father were born outside of the US, only the country would be given (see his and his mother's column). A place name (territory/state) would be be entered if it was in the US.
See attached instructions.
It might be that the enumerator entered the information incorrectly but Baltimore has been entered in that column. Like aghadowey I don't understand why you have posted this in Argyll.
Gadget
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Is he in District 30, San Francisco in 1910 -
Robert Otterson, widower, Roomer, 50, labourer, Immigration 1882. (age and immigration year fits with 1900)
This has both parents b. Ireland.
Gadget
PS - Did Robert marry an Elizabeth Little in Newcastle upon Tyne, Nov 1881?
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I (like Gadget) am fairly certain that the 1900 census lists Robert's father as born 'Baltimore' not Ballimore but enumerators do make mistakes as do the people providing the details.
The 1881 census, 1900 census & 1910 census all give his birthplace as Ireland. The 1885 passenger manifest says Robert, along wife wife & 2 children, says all born England but again, errors do happen.
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Details of this family posted already in an earlier topic-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=696673.msg5400741#msg5400741
Something further to check out - the parents of your Robert Otterson and the above James were John Otterson born 9 Jun 1815 in Ireland and who Mar 1896 in Newtownards, Ireland. Mother Charlotte Eglin 1818 - 1900 Newtownards, Ireland. Died aged 82 years. Listed in Ireland Civil registrations death index.
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Just to confirm what has gone before, I've found this:
1881:Joppa, Coylton, Ayrshire
James Otterson, 30, coal miner, b. Ireland
Elspeth, wife, 26, b. Kilmarnock
John, s, 7, b. Dalmemlington
James, s, 5, b. Coylton
Elizabeth, d, 3, b. do
Charles, s, 1, b. do
Robert, brother, 26, coal miner, b. Ireland
Also, James died in 1903 in Coylton. His parents are given as John Otterson, farmer and Charlotte M.S. Stewart, both deceased. Son Charles was the informant so probably got Grandmother's surname wrong!
Gadget
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I see from the online trees that the Stewart may have come from John Otterson's mother - listed as Sarah Stewart. Charles possibly got confused with the generations.
Gadget
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have a record of Robert Otterson's wife traveling to Carrowdore, Ireland to visit her inlaws
Reply #5
Bit more - not sure it's been mentioned before but as it's free from http://www.irishgenealogy.ie
John might appear in Griffiths:
Carrowdore, Ballyrawer*, Donaghadee, Newton Ards
* Ballyrawer - maybe Ballirore= Ballimore= Baltimore
Gadget
Added - also a posible mispronunciation/spelling , the Irish for Newtonards is given as Baile Nua na hArda on Wiki
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Yes, I think that Ballyrawer might be correct, and the census taker didn't know how to spell it. He should have just entered a country.
Yes, Robert Otterson and Elizabeth Little were married in Newcastle in 1881. I have no idea how he got from Ireland to Newcastle. Maybe looking for a job in the coal mines.
I was not considering Baltimore, Ireland, since the previous records found in Ireland were all in Northern Ireland. There are so many Bally-somethings in Ireland! It makes it hard to pinpoint a place.
thanks to all for your efforts on my behalf.
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I mentioned Baltimore, Cork before seeing the Northern Ireland connection but you still haven't explained why you've this thread on the Argyllshire, Scotland board ???
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There is a Ballimore in Argyllshire. I guess I was just going fishing, since I have hit a dead end in Ireland.
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UPDATE: I found Robert Otterson on the 1881 Census in Coylton, Ayrshire. He was in the household of his brother James, James' wife Elspeth, and their 4 children. Both men were coal miners. They lived in the village of Joppa.