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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: Stairheedrammy on Saturday 06 September 14 20:37 BST (UK)
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Hi, I managed to find my 3xG grandparents, Hugh and Bella Lynch in the 1901 census living at St Johnstown- but they have vanished by the 1911 census and dont show up on Irish searches after this, apart from leaving Ireland does anyone have any other ideas of how to track them?
Thanks
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For reference here's the 1901 census link-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/St__Johnston/St__Johnstown/1197021
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I take it from this they went to Scotland http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=423964.msg5398634#msg5398634
So oblivious question first, have you looked for them there in 1911?
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They were still in Ireland up to 1917 as far as I know, just after that my great grandad got married and moved to scotland, it's his parents and siblings I don't see after 1901 when they appear in st Johnstown in the census
Stairheed
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__2_/Lecky_Road/602443
A remarkable coincidence except for the ages of Hugh senior and the last 3 children
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Dathai, I had seen that family when looking for the family at first, though didn't know then my great great granda was called Hugh, or the names of any of the siblings. Hugh seniors age seems to leap from 35 to 69 in only 10 years and that had made me dismiss them without looking further. The names of the children seem to be too much of a coincidence for it not to be them
Thanks for making me look at this more closely
Stairheed
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When I look at the address given on the 1910 census it seems they were only a couple of houses away from the Free Derry mural seen in a multitude of news reports across the troubles. Their house seems to have been right in front of me for years, remarkable
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Dathai, I had seen that family when looking for the family at first, though didn't know then my great great granda was called Hugh, or the names of any of the siblings. Hugh seniors age seems to leap from 35 to 69 in only 10 years and that had made me dismiss them without looking further. The names of the children seem to be too much of a coincidence for it not to be them
Thanks for making me look at this more closely
Stairheed
While 35 to 69 is quite a leap, it's not unusual for people to age 20 years between the census, it's connected to the introduction of pensions.
The Enumerator or witness appears to have filled in the 1901 census this may in some way explain the difficulties with the ages and slight difference in names.
In 1901 Hugh cannot write, in 1911 he can, three possibilities, he couldn't write in 1901 due to injury, he had lesson between times ( the writing is very neat for a man of his age) or one of the children filled in 1911.
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If you look at this page of the 1911 census you will see the actual street address (rather than 26 which is only the number of the household on that particular census)-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002844038/
Google Street View shows the area now redeveloped.
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It would clinch to find Bella's death between the last child and 1911.
What is Bella's short for?
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYWK-13X
possible match to Hugh Lynch
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Do you read that as 201 or 261 Aghadowey?
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002844040/
Next door neighbour
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There is this one, which would be good as it's Londonderry but the age again.
It would make her 44 having Ellen and 16 years to young in 1901, but it would balance out the age if in 1901 the parents are listed too young and Hugh too old in 1911. And of course death ages aren't reliable anyway.
HTTP://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FTXD-DXQ
Oh Ellen in 1911 is listed as born Derry City!
2 children died could she be a second Ellen?
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Had a look at RootsIreland
Donegal
Name Lynch
Parents Hugh Lynch and Isabella ?
children
John 1889
Hugh 1891
Daniel 1893
Margaret Jane 1894
Patrick 1896
Patrick Joseph 1897
Mary Lizzie 1899
Ellen 1901
No result for same search in Derry
Use Bella for mother, still nothing in Derry, Daniel again in Donegal.
Tried again using Isabella Lafferty as in the marriage dathai found and result same list of children.
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Wow, you guys are fast, I took the dog for a walk and you have a whole new list of finds. I think the Bella is short for Isabella, a name used regularly by subsequent generations, though the 1901 census has it only as Bella. The Lecky Road find might well be them as the Donegal Geneology Project site has a Hugh Lynch of 201 Maeves Row, Lecky Road applying for the old age pension on the 27 th Nov 1915, saying he had been born in St Johnstown 70 years before, and by then his family was given as Margaret Harkins ( either by then living with his daughter Maggie or taken up with a new woman, I'm going for the first of these). Sinann, that link doesn't work, or not for me anyway. The lafferty thing may also be spot on as I have Johns death certificate from 1931 and while the mothers name is too faint to read properly, what you can read fits with Lafferty. You are phenomenal folks, many thanks. Oh I found a Bella Lynch death in Derry from 1906 though haven't had time to investigate this yet.
Thanks
Stairheed
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Sinann, I had no idea of an earlier Patrick, b1896, who I take it died young. There is also the anomaly of the youngest daughters, in 1901 Mary is 2 and has one younger sister Ellen at 0-1, by 1910 Mary is 9 and has an 8 year old Katie Ann and a six year old Ellen, did they change Katie Ann's name or forget she was there?
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The younger children are a puzzle,
This looks like Patrick's death age 0 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FT8N-VJ6
Hope link works this time.
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Sinann, I don't know the geography of the area, is strabane the local administration office?
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I don't know the area either, but Stranbane is one of Donegal's Reg Districts
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Ireland-civil-registration.html
And it's the same District as the Isabella Lafferty marriage.
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An Ellen Lynch born 1901 died 1901 Strabane
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FT61-73F
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So an Ellen dies aged under 1 in 1901, and another Ellen is born around 1904
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They did a similar thing with Patrick when he died, their next boy was named Joseph Patrick, looks like a mystery solved
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The RootsIreland results are in the Civil Parish of Raphoe.
Raphoe is in the Poor Law Union of Strabane so that matches.
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It's possible the second Ellen has another name, one before Ellen, like Patrick Joseph, who is listed as Joseph Patrick in the Census. Which will make her birth more difficult to find.
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I can't think of another female name commonly used within the family, Patricia or Theresa maybe
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Almost forgot one more check I wanted to do on RootsIreland
There is a Burial Record for Patrick Lynch 1896 Raphoe Civil District
Also Ellen 1901 Raphoe
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The RC records for Derry only go up to 1900 on RootsIreland bummer.
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I had checked with local RC church records for another relative before and they only started keeping them in the 1930s
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I must pass on my thanks for the help given with this, especially from Sinnon. It's much appreciated