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Title: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: Printer on Monday 08 September 14 02:25 BST (UK)
Hello,

I am seeking details about Harold Wanless (b 1905 NSW?).

Harold was the s/o Thomas & Nellie G  (nee Wilson) Wanless who married in 1894 in Sydney. There were 5 children that I am aware of. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you.

Printer
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: barryd on Monday 08 September 14 03:46 BST (UK)
I have a few Wanless names in my line starting with a Mary Wan(d)less born 1800. I had really not paid to much attention to the name but what surprised me that the vast majority of people with the name came from just north of the River Tyne in Northumberland, (County) to just south of the River Tees Yorkshire (County). with a good showing around the River Wear (County Durham). For the first hundred years of civil registration in England/Wales 1837-1937 the name dominates in these three areas.
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: Printer on Monday 08 September 14 03:52 BST (UK)
Hello barryd,

The Wanless One-Name Study website is a wonderful place to find any of your Wan(d)less ancestors. I am trying to find out what happened to Harold Wanless in Australia.

Printer
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: warncoort on Monday 08 September 14 05:00 BST (UK)
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search?16
No entry for Harold,1902-1913.
Have you checked Electoral rolls?
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: rosball on Monday 08 September 14 05:24 BST (UK)
From NSW BDM Aubrey Archibald WANLESS died in 1953 with parents Thomas and Nellie Gertrude at Ashfield.

Here are his death notices (which mention brother Harry).  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18361612

regards,
   Ros

I will ask a moderator to move your post to queries (instead of completed lookups :)  )



Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: rosball on Monday 08 September 14 06:50 BST (UK)
Possible engagement for Harry in 1945 - there is a marriage in 1946 on NSW BDM for this couple
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17934743

And the birth of a child to the couple  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18091393

regards,
   Ros

adding : divorce http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Item\1585720
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: rosball on Monday 08 September 14 07:05 BST (UK)
From NSW BDM http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html

Nellie Gertrude WANLESS died in 1947 in Ashfield reg 8635/1947 aged 68 and parents William and Elizabeth

This probate ad for the will of Nellie Gertrude CONLIN ( known as WANLESS) http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27897144 mentions Aubrey Archibald WANLESS and John Noel WANLESS as executors.  (midway down second column from the right)

regards,
   Ros

adding : probate packet available http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Item\695851
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: rosball on Monday 08 September 14 07:26 BST (UK)
There is a death notice for a Harry G WANLESS who died in 1993 - but age is way out  ???

Sydney Morning Herald 3 July 1993

WANLESS Harry G --- June 23, 1993 at nursing home.  Sadly missed, at rest.  June23, 1923 to June 23, 1993.  Privately cremated.

regards,
   Ros



Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: sparrett on Monday 08 September 14 09:35 BST (UK)
There is a death notice for a Harry G WANLESS who died in 1993 - but age is way out  ???

Sydney Morning Herald 3 July 1993

WANLESS Harry G --- June 23, 1993 at nursing home.  Sadly missed, at rest.  June23, 1923 to June 23, 1993.  Privately cremated.

regards,
   Ros





Harry Garth WANLESS appears on the NSW Electoral Roll to 1980
Wife Dulcie Olga is with him.


He lived in the suburbs of Sydney with various occupation including toolmaker and milkbar proprietor.

I am happy to type up the listings if they are of interest to you.

From 1963, Dulcie Olga is not at the address which agrees with the divorce finding.
Sharing  the addresses after this  is Joyce Rubina WANLESS.

Marriage
REG 20655 Yr 1961 WANLESS Harry Garth to MOBBS Joyce Rubina at PARRAMATTA

Previous Electoral Roll listings are available for Joyce Rubina if required
 
A Death Notice
    
WANLESS   Joyce Rubina died 06JAN2002
Aged   80
Late of Marsfield
Newspaper Sydney Morning Herald
Published   08JAN2002

Sue


Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: sparrett on Monday 08 September 14 09:42 BST (UK)
From NSW BDM http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html

Nellie Gertrude WANLESS died in 1947 in Ashfield reg 8635/1947 aged 68 and parents William and Elizabeth

This probate ad for the will of Nellie Gertrude CONLIN ( known as WANLESS) http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27897144 mentions Aubrey Archibald WANLESS and John Noel WANLESS as executors.  (midway down second column from the right)

regards,
   Ros

adding : probate packet available http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Item\695851

Marriage
Reg 9076 Yr 1931  CONLIN  Henry J to  WANLESS  Nellie G at  ROCKDALE

Sue
 
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: rosball on Monday 08 September 14 09:55 BST (UK)
Joyce's divorce prior to marriage to Harry http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Item\1577833

regards,
   Ros

adding : I can photograph Nellie's probate file and perhaps Harry's divorce file next time I am at NSW SRO if you wish
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: sparrett on Monday 08 September 14 09:58 BST (UK)
Printer What makes you think 1905 is the year of birth for Harold?

If the age at death of Nellie Gertrude is correct -68 in 1947, she may have been able to have him in 1923.  She must have been a very young bride.

However  ;D


By the way What do you know about Nellie and Thomas' daughter Beryl?

Sue
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: sparrett on Monday 08 September 14 10:06 BST (UK)
Here is a birth with right parents names, close year ,but wrong surname. :-\
Bit doubtful if you say the birth name was WILSON


Reg 23788 yr 1880 SNOWDON Nellie Gertrude Parents William & Elizabeth at RYDE
 
Sue
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: Printer on Tuesday 09 September 14 04:17 BST (UK)
Hello ros, warncoort & sparrett,

Thank you all, the details provided are very welcome. I was given some info many years ago that Harry was born c1905. I also know nothing of his other siblings, any further details would be appreciated. Thank you.

Printer
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: Malcolm33 on Tuesday 09 September 14 05:41 BST (UK)
    I would be interested to know if you have any connection with the Wanless family in this page - http://www.wanlessweb.org/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I43&tree=37

    The Sydney Dent named as Executor of the Will was one of my cousins as were the Turnbull's mentioned further down.
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 10 September 14 08:11 BST (UK)
Printer,
Ros asked you whether you would like her to help you in reply #10

Perhaps you could respond  ;D 

Sue
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 10 September 14 08:17 BST (UK)
I do not think your information regarding the birth date  of 1905 is correct. The death notice is specific on birthdate of June 1923.

I do not see Harold or the correct Harry WANLESS registered to vote until 1949.  This would tie in with his coming of age in the 1940's

I also have some doubts about Nellie Gertrude being the mother of Harold after a gap in births of 17 or so years. I have searched births to 1918

Thomas her husband died

Reg 11093 year1926    WANLESS    Thomas
Parents John & Sarah
SYDNEY

1930 is the first electoral roll publically available in NSW

1930
Address, Cooee, Oswell St. Rockdale
WANLESS Beryl Gertrude. HD
WANLESS  John Noel, Salesman
WANLESS Nellie Gertrude , HD


1933
Address 56 Addison Rd , Roseville
WANLESS Beryl Gertrude. HD
WANLESS John Noel, Traveller
WANLESS Ethel Alexander HD

Nellie Gertrude had married in 1931 (see above) and Electoral roll 1933-

Address, Cooee, Oswell St. Rockdale
CONLIN, Nellie Gertrude HD
CONLIN, Henry James, police sergeant

Also in 1931, there was an engagement announced for Beryl.  However, perhaps there was a change of heart as I see no marriage to this man for her.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16773498?

Beryl married
REG 17075yr 1935    HILL    Edward G    WANLESS    Beryl G
At ASHFIELD
 
So we see Beryl living with her mother or brother  and not in the workforce up to her marriage in 1935.

Sue

Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: majm on Wednesday 10 September 14 08:43 BST (UK)
Marriage
REG 20655 Yr 1961 WANLESS Harry Garth to MOBBS Joyce Rubina at PARRAMATTA

The information on the official transcription of that marriage will include details about both the bride and the groom, including their then ages, places of birth, status, parents names (including mum's nee name, and if known to be deceased) and their occupations, usual residences and other vital family history info.

Here's an RChat link to help re Transcription Agents.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.msg2443888#msg2443888

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Wednesday 10 September 14 09:13 BST (UK)
It was John Noel WANLESS who was born in 10 Dec 1905:

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=388670   

Birth:

WANLESS John N b. 10/12/1905 reg'd 1906 PETERSHAM #6905
Parents: Thomas & Nellie G

https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 10 September 14 09:22 BST (UK)
It was John Noel WANLESS who was born in 10 Dec 1905:

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=388670   

Birth:

WANLESS John N b. 10/12/1905 reg'd 1906 PETERSHAM #6905
Parents: Thomas & Nellie G

https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/


What was?
Sue
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 10 September 14 09:30 BST (UK)
It was John Noel WANLESS who was born in 10 Dec 1905:

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=388670   

Birth:

WANLESS John N b. 10/12/1905 reg'd 1906 PETERSHAM #6905
Parents: Thomas & Nellie G

https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/


What was?
Sue

OK, ;D So Merlin you mean in regard to the heading on  the thread, the 1905 birth was for John not Harold.  Without a reference or quote from you, I was at a loss for a moment.

Sue
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Wednesday 10 September 14 09:46 BST (UK)
OK, ;D So Merlin you mean in regard to the heading on  the thread, the 1905 birth was for John not Harold.  Without a reference or quote from you, I was at a loss for a moment. Sue

Yes, sorry Sue. I was being called away from the computer so I posted it in a hurry  ;D
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Wednesday 10 September 14 09:48 BST (UK)
Nellie Gertrude WANLESS was at least 21yo in 1903 as she appears on the ERoll with husband Thomas:

1903
Address: 6 Mc Donald St, Leichhardt
Nellie Gertrude WANLESS - Domestic Duties
Thomas WANLESS - Painter
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: majm on Wednesday 10 September 14 09:51 BST (UK)
From NSW BDM Aubrey Archibald WANLESS died in 1953 with parents Thomas and Nellie Gertrude at Ashfield.
Here are his death notices (which mention brother Harry).  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18361612your post to queries (instead of completed lookups :)  )

Probate notice http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27525883 SMH 26 June, 1953  with family members including John Noel Wanless  as executors of the estate... but no mention of Harry.

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: majm on Wednesday 10 September 14 09:56 BST (UK)
Supporting the several earlier posts  re Harry's birthdate NOT being 1905 

The Ryerson Index actually reads
"WANLESS   Harry G,
Death notice   
23JUN1993,
Death,
Died on 70th Birthday
Sydney Morning Herald   03JUL1993"


Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 10 September 14 11:45 BST (UK)
Supporting the several earlier posts  re Harry's birthdate NOT being 1905 

The Ryerson Index actually reads
"WANLESS   Harry G,
Death notice   
23JUN1993,
Death,
Died on 70th Birthday
Sydney Morning Herald   03JUL1993"


Cheers,  JM

Yes, it does make it clear Harold was born 1923.

Beryl would have been 16 or 17  then

Sue
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: Printer on Wednesday 10 September 14 22:26 BST (UK)
Hello all,

Thank you for your assistance, and offer to photograph ros, but I think I have sufficient info to go through. The details I was given some years ago regarding the birth date were obviously incorrect. I am so grateful for all the effort and information that you have provided. Thank you. Regards.

Printer
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 10 September 14 22:40 BST (UK)
Hello all,

Thank you for your assistance, and offer to photograph ros, but I think I have sufficient info to go through. The details I was given some years ago regarding the birth date were obviously incorrect. I am so grateful for all the effort and information that you have provided. Thank you. Regards.

Printer

That's fine Printer. ;D
Let us know if in the future you have further interest in the family and the unclear aspects of Harold's early life.

Sue
Title: Re: Harold Wanless (b 1905)
Post by: pondering on Wednesday 15 November 23 04:15 GMT (UK)
just wanting to join this chat - did harry have any other children than howard?