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...probably born c 1880's.
Don't have anything else on him until he is in Londonderry in 1906 with a wife, Rebecca Blake and at least one child, William George McKinley b1906 (birth day 18/5/1906 but registered late on 1st September - residence of parents was given as Tullamore, Kings County, but birth seems to have taken place at Waterloo Street, Londonderry).
Anything anyone might find on this chap would be appreciated.
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An oldie, yet still no further finds.
Meant to say at time of original post, Henry and Rebecca seem to have married in Jan-Mar Qtr 1906 in Tullamore district, Ofally.
Also, by 1911, their son appears on Census in Londonderry with another family as 'adopted'. No obvious links between the family he is with and his parents.
Perhaps a mod could move this post to Ireland General as now realise that although he married in Tullamore, Henry may have been born elsewhere.....one possibility being the Henry Hugh McKinley born 1878 in Dunfanaghy.
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probably the the best place to start the search is with that possible marriage, as the cert would give more details such as residence for the bride and groom, and the name and occupation of Henry's father.
Here are the details for reference:
Name: Henry Hugh M'Kinley
Registration district: Tullamore
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1906
Volume: 3 / Page: 525
Name: Rebecca Blake
[same index references as Henry]
Other than the birth you mentioned in Dunfanaghy, I dont see any other good matches for Henry around 1880 under his full name, but he may be one of those registered without a middle name.
See :
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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Thanks for input, Shane. Yes, I have that marriage ref, thanks, and agree no other obvious births around timescale.
At moment, more confused as to what became of Henry and Rebecca between 1906 and 1911, as not seeing any obvious death/s and/or emigration, nor seeing them in 1911 Census either. Mind you, on reading back through manual records, I see that when he married, their son said his father was 'Albert' and a 'butler'. Bit of a stretch from Henry Hugh to Albert, but then again, stranger things have happened. Given the occupation of father on birth cert as coachman and on marriage cert as butler though, I do wonder if he was in service to a family that moved around hence he travelled with them. If so, maybe a child arriving on the scene was not ideal for his job and hence the 'adoption'.
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that Henry McKinley birth is included in the extracted records without the middle name - the page reference (63) is the same as the BMD Index record. The parents names are William McKinley and Jane Stewart. If the marriage cert shows Henry's father's name as William than it would be worth following up the details on the birth cert.
see : link (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/935M-H97/p1)
Shane
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could this be Rebecca with her family in 1901 ?
Blake household, townland of Culleen (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/King_s_Co_/Durrow/Culleen/1471356/)
have you found Henry in 1901 ?
Shane
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a possible match for Henry - listed as a Donegal born Coachman living in Co. Tyrone in 1901 :
Baillie/Merrick/McKinley household, Magirr townland (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Strabane/Magirr/1754175/)
Shane
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that Henry McKinley birth is included in the extracted records without the middle name - the page reference (63) is the same as the BMD Index record. The parents names are William McKinley and Jane Stewart. If the marriage cert shows Henry's father's name as William than it would be worth following up the details on the birth cert.
see : link (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/935M-H97/p1)
Shane
Good spot...missed that...great what fresh pair of eyes can see, thanks. I must have had my 8) on.
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a possible match for Henry - listed as a Donegal born Coachman living in Co. Tyrone :
Baillie/Merrick/McKinley household, Magirr townland (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Strabane/Magirr/1754175/)
Shane
Mmmm....an interesting one.....not married, but then I've been wondering if Rebecca died after giving birth, given the birth was registered so late and not by father or mother.
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Mmmm....an interesting one.....not married, but then I've been wondering if Rebecca died after giving birth, given the birth was registered so late and not by father or mother.
sorry should have mentioned - that census record is from 1901 ...
Shane
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Oops, missed seeing that was 1901 not 1911, still had my 8) on (plus in Chatterbox and searching another family in USA 1930 Census - note to self, don't multi-task when replying on a thread ;D)
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Since this am, I've managed to find someone on another site who has William and Jane (nee Stewart) McKinley of Dunfanaghy research, and so made email contact with them . She has a gap of 8 years in their children and has always suspected there was a missing sibling. It does indeed seem possible that it could be Henry Hugh McKinley. Unfortunately, as she doesn't have a note of him, she is not aware what became of him either. Still, at least it is another pair of eyes looking.
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Well, the fresh eyes of the other researcher seem to have worked wonders. She has checked her records more fully, and whilst she did not have a Henry Hugh listed, she did have a query that there may have been a 'Harry' in right timescale. Anyhow, spurred on by my info about Henry Hugh, she had a good look on the 1911, and found:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Ballyhane/Kilderriheen/666945/
Apart from a few minor discrepancies (least of which being that Rebecca states 2 born/2 living), it certainly seems to fit as being the missing couple. So, they certainly did move around a lot, as this is now them in Waterford.
I have checked the births of the two children and found index entries for each of them in Tullamore - so looks like they returned to Rebecca's home area (and area they married), had the next two children, then headed to Waterford.
A quick check of Kilderriheen reveals only 3 properties. The McKinley's are at property 2, whilst at 1 is, I would guess, his employer:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Ballyhane/Kilderriheen/666944/
(could the Sir John Keane at above census be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_John_Keane,_5th_Baronet mmmm....if so, I wonder if there would be estate papers somewhere detailing his servants etc??)
which again makes me believe we have right couple as this is similar type of employment Henry had at 1901 and in what looks to be a similar type of household.
Mind you, dear knows what become of them thereafter.
edit:
it does look to be same Sir John Keane, as his daughter and son of same names as those on the census return are also noted at:
http://thepeerage.com/p5473
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Hi.i know this is a old post so Hopefully you get my message. Rebbeca Blake that is married to Henry hugh mckinley is my grannys aunt. Her family came from Wexford to live in Durrow Tullamore. They lived there and end up living at the gate lodge to Durrow Abbey where some of the family members worked.her parents were Robert Blake and Suzanne Foster from wexford, they had 12children. Some of Rebbeca Blake family are buried at Durrow Tullamore which i live not far from. I Hopefully you get this and maybe I can share more with you only new on this site so i Hopefully can figure it out
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Hello Reginager and welcome to Rootschat.
It has been a number of years since I last looked at William, Henry and Rebecca, but from memory (I would need to dig out old notes), I did find some further details about Henry and Rebecca since the earlier posts on this thread.
I do still think, on balance of evidence and despite the different father's forename on his marriage certificate, Henry and Rebecca were William's parents, however I didn't manage to discover why they apparently left him behind.
Whilst I have done some research on them, the family William was adopted into was not actually one of my lines, but rather one I was looking at for someone else.
That said, if you are yourself researching Henry and Rebecca, I would be happy to dig out the old notes and share any finds that might be useful to you.
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That would be lovely to see what you have. They got married in durrow and 1month later they had gone to Derry to have the Child, which they never seem to say they have in census. And with in a year she has an other Child, I think That Child could of been given away because of them not been long married.
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Have you seen the statutory declaration made in Nov 1939 on Henry Hugh's birth cert by William John McKinley and Florence Vance
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02965/2086076.pdf
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Interesting, Dathai. I wonder who they were and why they were doing this in 1939.
Henry and Rebecca were in Kinnitty, Birr, in what was then King's County, at 1913 and 1916, having a Henry Hugh McKinley born on 20/6/1913 and a Martha Irene McKinley born on 12/4/1916.
Another 3 possible births in the Birr area after this too, but I won't add names here as within 100 years.
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Just looking at 1939. There was a Henry McKinley, no middle name listed, labourer, death in Mullingar, Westmeath in 1939, but it was signed by someone from the hospital he was in at time, so not obvious if it could have been Henry Hugh McKinley.
However, what makes it more of a possibility, perhaps, is that a Henry Hugh McKinley married a Mary Costello in Mullingar in 1942 (a number of children then born to them in the area). Perhaps the same Henry Hugh McKinley born in 1913.
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Aha, it looks like it was the same family.
A Francis (as transcribed) D R McKinley was born in Mullingar district in 1925. Frances Daisy McKinley, Violetstown, daughter of a Henry Hugh McKinley, motor driver, sadly died in 1931.
Violetstown was the usual address listed on the death in hospital, of the Henry McKinley in 1939.
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Patrick born 1953 died 1953 same address
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1953/04463/4169301.pdf
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Age seems to match. Was at violetstown just outside mullingar today. Just could find RC graveyard. Will have to find local graveyard there and have a look to see if I can find where they are buried. It would be great to find grave
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3 graveyards mentioned here under cemetery devotions
also bottom right under rest in peace a lady from Violetstown
http://www.mullingarparish.ie/bulletins/Newsletter_03_August_2014.pdf
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picked up 2 more deaths in Violetstown from the internet both buried in Kilronan
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Henry and Rebecca's 1919 born daughter married a soldier in County Meath in 1941. Witnesses look to have been her mother and her 1922 born brother. I haven't mentioned her or her brother's names, as born post 1918.
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3 graveyards mentioned here under cemetery devotions
also bottom right under rest in peace a lady from Violetstown
http://www.mullingarparish.ie/bulletins/Newsletter_03_August_2014.pdf
Seems to be RC parish. The family in question seem to have been CofI.
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They are church of Ireland. Found a church of Ireland now in mullingar but it is all locked up. Opens sunday at 10.hoping to go and have a look on sunday. Love all the information you all have
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went back to violetstown graveyard where i found one of henry and rebeccas sons grave.also found out that rebecca moved to England london with one of her daughters she died aged 75 years and is buried in Tooting.
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Henry and Rebecca were in Kinnitty, Birr, in what was then King's County, at 1913 and 1916, having a Henry Hugh McKinley born on 20/6/1913 and a Martha Irene McKinley born on 12/4/1916.
Another 3 possible births in the Birr area after this too, but I won't add names here as within 100 years.
Another daughter, Ida Jean McKinley born 1st April 1919
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qbu/
Henry and Rebecca's 1919 born daughter married a soldier in County Meath in 1941. Witnesses look to have been her mother and her 1922 born brother.
She married Joseph Reid, who was a soldier in the Irish Guards.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1941/08830/5193114.pdf
KG
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.......also found out that rebecca moved to England london with one of her daughters she died aged 75 years and is buried in Tooting.
Death Oct-Dec 1960
McKINLEY Rebecca 75 Lambeth 5c 1232
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
KG
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She married Joseph Reid, who was a soldier in the Irish Guards.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1941/08830/5193114.pdf
Witness - Archibald R B McKinley
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F191-92P