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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: Jason46 on Wednesday 10 September 14 04:37 BST (UK)
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My great great great grandparents were Lewis Wilcher and Marion Willson, born about 1811. They were married 27 August 1836 at St Botolph's Bishopsgate in London. they had 5 children between 1837 and 1848, and Marian died 2 August 1849. In the 1851 census, Lewis was living in Crucifix lane with 3 of his children and his mother-in-law, Mary Ann Smith, 59 years old, born in Bath, Somerset. For a while i didn't know if her surname was Smith or maybe Sevitt, until I found Lewis other 2 children in the 1851 census, living with Uncle Theophilus Smith, 39 years of age, born in Wickenham, Middlesex. He was a schoolmaster. In the 1861 census, Mary Ann Smith, 70 yo in 1861, the widow of a schoolmaster, born in Bath Somerset, and Theophilus Smith is her son, and she is living with him, his wife and their 6 children at St John's Academy, Hampton Wick, Middlesex. Marion was a spinster and her name was Willson, Her mother was Smith and i can find no connection between smith and Willson. What am I missing?
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According to Theo's marriage to Matilda - his father was a Thomas Smith , also a schoolmaster.
Jackie
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Presumably Mary Ann married firstly a Mr Willson and the couple had Marion. Mr Willson then died and Mary Ann remarried a Mr Smith and they had Theophilius
Steve
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Hi Steve
Thought of that but can't prove it and the dates are very close. Theophilus according to the 1851 census was 39, so born @1812, Marian according to the headstone at the cemetery was 38 in 1849 so born @ 1811. Not impossible - my Dad and his brother were only 11 months apart, but they had the same mother and father. If there was a 2nd marriage, I haven't found it.
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Possible that Marian was illigitimate..
Can't find a marriage for a Thomas Smith to Mary Ann Wilson though..
Jackie
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It's true the dates look quite close, but they could be nearly 3 years apart, depending on the dates of birth/death.
Jackie, where are you looking? Do we know where they married?
Steve
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Hi Jacqueline and Steve, Thanks for taking an interest! In the 1841 Census for Theophilus Smith he is living at Hampton in Middlesex with:
Mary Smith aged 50
Theophilus aged 29.
Sarah Smith aged 17
Caroline Smith aged 11
Theodore Smith aged 8.
From my Library i could not see the original record, only the ancestry version
The parents of Theodore and Sarah are both Thomas Smith and Mary Ann, and i also found a Thomas Smith who married a Mary Ann Stiles 29 October 1812. No Willson?
I also found a Maryanne Smith who married a Richard Beane Willson 9 April 1811, Yarmouth Norfolk. Still no Willson.
I'm still at a loss?
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Hi Jason,
The marriage(s) both took place before civil registration was introduced in 1837. The only records that would record them are parish registers, of which there are thousands. Are you looking at Family Search? That only includes a part of the vast range of parish records. Obviously the best place to start looking for a ?/Willson marriage would be Bath or Middlesex, but it could be anywhere
Steve
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I have been unable to see the original 1841 Census info for Theophilus Smith. Is there anyone who can view it and possibly send me a copy - it just may tell me where to go looking for more information
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Jason, what do you mean by original Census? The images on Ancestry are photographic images of the original. There is no other version that would show more
Steve
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Hi
When I looked up the 1841 Census info it said 'view original' but this wouldn't open for me. All I could get was a typed version which listed the names of the people but didn't say where they were born, which is what I wanted. Once i know where they were born, it will make the search easier. Can you view the original census entry?
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The 1841 only shows whether a person was born in county or not, with no place information. The image shows all born in Middlesex except Mary
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Theophilus' marriage (and subsequent baptisms of children) shows his full name to be Theophilus Francis. There's a baptism that might be him
Theophilas Frances Smith [as per Ancestry transcription]
Born 17 April 1821
Baptism 18 Apr 1824, Teddington St Mary
Father Thomas Smith, writing master
Mother Mary Ann Smith
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Just to confirm later censuses have Theophilus as born c1822 so the gap between Marion Wilson and him isn;t a close as was being worried abuot ealrier.
Found Theodore in 1851 - got very excited as Ancestry transcribe his relationship as step brother in law, so had thoughts of finding more links. However the image says "shopman"!
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Thomas Smith (bachelor) and Mary Ann Wilson (widow)
Marriage 12 20 Jul 1820, St Mary, Teddington
so Marion is from her first marriage
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Teddington!. That could help. Yes Mabel it looks like there were too marriages, the first to a Willson before 1811 and the 2nd to Thomas Smith, after 1811 but probably before 1812.
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Jason - look again. i found the second marriage in 1820. Theophilus b 1821 not c1811 (1841 not correct)
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MABEL THAT IS BRILLIANT! Do you think Theophilus' dates for birth and baptism are correct, being 3years and 1 day apart? Now if I can find the 1st marriage I will have the mother's maiden name?