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Title: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: corinthian on Monday 15 September 14 10:25 BST (UK)
Hi,

Just wondered if anyone out there knows the parentage of Thomas George Perham who birth was registered Q1 1906 in St Albans,Hertfordshire district. In the 1911 census,aged 5,he is recorded as the nephew of William & Mary Ann Amy Scott,(Thomas's surname has been transcribed as Penham),living at 28,Alexandra Rd,St Albans,Herts. 

Any thoughts??

Regards

Coreen     
Title: Re: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 15 September 14 10:48 BST (UK)
Well without getting the birth certificate itself we could try working back from his uncle and aunt.

I was hoping Mrs Scott would be nee Perham but she appears to be this lady

Marriage St Albans Jun 1892
William Scott
Mary Ann A Evans

so that's a no go  :(

Could be a sister of William married a Perham?
Title: Re: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: rosie17 on Monday 15 September 14 10:52 BST (UK)
As Millepede said you would be better to get birth certificate to get parent's names  :)
Title: Re: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 15 September 14 10:52 BST (UK)
Can't see one, maybe he was illegitimate.

There are other Perham births St Albans around 1906, could check these little ones out to see if they could be his brothers.

Edward Charles 1893
Ronald Page 1907
Arthur Herbert 1910
Title: Re: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 15 September 14 10:55 BST (UK)
For info the 3 boys listed above all belong to Henry James Perham and wife Frances Amelia Jane.
Title: Re: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: josey on Monday 15 September 14 11:10 BST (UK)
I see the youngest child of William & Mary Scott was a daughter also aged 5 & born in specifically 'St Peters, St Albans'. 

Henry James & Frances Amelia name the deceased child missing from their 7 [6 living] as Henry Ernest William.  Children born variously in Hackney & St Albans - same as the Scott family  ???.
Title: Re: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: rosie17 on Monday 15 September 14 11:11 BST (UK)
There is also marriage for a George Frederick Perham 1903 St Albans also death for George Frederick Perham 1910 age 31 in St Albans maybe worth checking
Title: Re: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: rosie17 on Monday 15 September 14 11:29 BST (UK)
Quote from: Milliepede on Monday 15 September 14 10:52 BST (UK)
Can't see one, maybe he was illegitimate.

There are other Perham births St Albans around 1906, could check these little ones out to see if they could be his brothers.

Edward Charles 1893
Ronald Page 1907
Arthur Herbert 1910
Birth Registration Thomas George Perham January 1906 District St Albans
Is this the death Thomas George Perham born 25th January died August 1993 age 87 years
Registration District North Cotswold Gloucestershire
Title: Re: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 15 September 14 11:37 BST (UK)
Here's an odd Perham

Elizabeth Ann Perham 34 single so she would have been old enough to be his mother.
She is daughter of Eliza Edwards.  Bit of a tangle and maybe a red herring but living St Albans. 
Title: Re: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: [Ray] on Monday 15 September 14 13:22 BST (UK)
Hi

Refs for those who want them . . . . .
Marriages Jun 1903 St. Albans 3a 1202
George Frederick Perham
Choice of . . . . .
Ada Ellen Brackley
Sarah Elizabeth Partridge
and
Thomas Halsey

Death Mar 1910 St. Albans 3a 397
George F Perham (31y)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
1901 RG13 1313 17 page24
5 Whitbread Terrace, Hatfield Road, St Albans
Charles    Edwards 40 Boot Finisher bSt Lukes
Eliza         Edwards 51 Laundress     b Kingsland
Eliza         Edwards12 Dau                b Hackney
Sarah M   Edwards 11 Dau               b Hackney
George F Perham   21 STEPSON    b Hackney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What's the betting Eliza51 was married to a Perham?


Ray
Title: Re: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 15 September 14 13:29 BST (UK)
Quote
Marriages Jun 1903 St. Albans 3a 1202
George Frederick Perham
Choice of . . . . .
Ada Ellen Brackley
Sarah Elizabeth Partridge
and
Thomas Halsey

Thomas Halsey is with Ada Ellen in 1911 so that leaves Sarah Elizabeth belonging to George.
Title: Re: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 15 September 14 13:39 BST (UK)
Quote
What's the betting Eliza51 was married to a Perham?


There's a marriage Shoreditch Jun 1892 Charles Edwards Eliza Perham as a possible pairing (out of 2 grooms/2 brides) 
Title: Re: Parentage of Thomas George Perham.
Post by: corinthian on Monday 15 September 14 16:26 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,

I'm trying to establish if my Mary Ann Amy Evans who married William Scott in 1892 is related to Thomas George Perham, recorded as a nephew to the head of the household in 1911. Mary Ann's father was Thomas Evans & her mother was Elizabeth Lester & her grandparents were William Evans (c1815) & Elizabeth Lovell. I've hit a brickwall with the Evans family so am trying to find any other relations.

In 1901,a widowed,Ann Skyes,aged 75,is recorded as a grandmother to either William Scott or Mary Ann Amy nee Evans. I did find,from another source,that a Henry Perham ,married an Eliza Elizabeth Sykes in about 1871 & went on to have several children,including Henry James Perham who married Frances Amelia Jane Owen. Could Ann Sykes be mother to Eliza Elizabeth Sykes????  I have now totally confused myself but in the Electoral Rolls 1932,1936 (and others) there are Perhams & Evans all living at the sam addres at Noakes Farm,Rickmansworth. 

Please someone help me untangle this mess!!!!!!

Coreen