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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: sirsimon on Tuesday 16 September 14 16:44 BST (UK)
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Hello
This is going to probably be my last post for some time and its quite a large request
William Steel, born in 1828 had a wife named Bridget, this is them in 1861 in Nafferton.
Head William Steele 35
Wife Bridget Steele 27
Son Richard Steele 18
Son William Steele 8
Daughter Margaret Steele 6
Daughter Mary Steele 3
Daughter Jane Steele 1
Richard Steel, William's brother was born in 1811 and had a wife named Jane. This is the family in Newcastle, 1861
Head Richard Steel 48
Wife Jane Steel 40
Son Adam Steel 10
Son George Steel 9
Son Leonard Steel 5
Son Thomas Steel 3
Thomas Steel, born in 1858 to Richard Steel and Jane married a woman named Isabella. This is them in 1881. One of their children was Isabel Moscrop Steele. Now I assumed that Moscrop was her mother's maiden name, but I cannot find a marriage record that fits chronologically.
Head Thomas Steel 24
Wife Isabella Steel 27
Daughter Jane Steel 5
Son Robert Arthur Steel 3
Son John Steel 1
Brother in Law James ??? 18
Servant Isabella ??? 15
My request is would someone please help in finding the maiden names of the three wives, Bridget, Jane and Isabella? I have checked free bmd with little success, I am probably missing some things.
I appreciate any assistance in finding them, I do not want to go through the necessary expense of purchasing certificates.
my thanks
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Freebmd is the website to use for this type of query
If you are unable to resolve it that way - then you will need to buy a copy of one of the childrens birth certs from each family which will give you the maiden names
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Hello
Thomas Steel, born in 1858 to Richard Steel and Jane married a woman named Isabella. This is them in 1881. One of their children was Isabel Moscrop Steele. Now I assumed that Moscrop was her mother's maiden name, but I cannot find a marriage record that fits chronologically.
Head Thomas Steel 24
Wife Isabella Steel 27
Daughter Jane Steel 5
Son Robert Arthur Steel 3
Son John Steel 1
Brother in Law James ??? 18
Servant Isabella ??? 15
my thanks
The census doesn't say Isabella aged 15 years is Isabella Moscrop Steele. She is a servant to the family. Someone has made an alteration to the name on ancestry. It looks as if she was the daughter of Thomas Moscrop and Mary born 12 April 1866.
Its very unclear what the surname of the servant is.
Following the family forward they do have a daughter later called Isabella Moscrop Steel.
Sandra
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Hello
Richard Steel, William's brother was born in 1811 and had a wife named Jane. This is the family in Newcastle, 1861
Head Richard Steel 48
Wife Jane Steel 40
Son Adam Steel 10
Son George Steel 9
Son Leonard Steel 5
Son Thomas Steel 3
my thanks
Please read the census properly. This family are in Bewcastle in 1861 not Newcastle.
Bewcastle is a large civil parish in the City of Carlisle district of Cumbria, England.
Sandra
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William Steel, born in 1828 had a wife named Bridget, this is them in 1861 in Nafferton.
Head William Steele 35
Wife Bridget Steele 27
Son Richard Steele 18
Son William Steele 8
Daughter Margaret Steele 6
Daughter Mary Steele 3
Daughter Jane Steele 1
Richard is 11 not 18 ;)
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Brother in Law James 18 in 1881 - surname looks like Moscrop to me. Have you looked for a possible Isabella Moscrop in 1871?
If you can't find a marriage (I can't see one of a Thomas Steel(e) to an Isabella anything either) perhaps they didn't marry.
Jan ;)
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Richard Steel, William's brother was born in 1811 and had a wife named Jane. This is the family in Newcastle, 1861
Head Richard Steel 48
Wife Jane Steel 40
Son Adam Steel 10
Son George Steel 9
Son Leonard Steel 5
Son Thomas Steel 3
This couple appear on the 1851 census , their eldest child showing is 11. It is more than likely that they married before registration. Have you got them in 1841
ADDED they appear on the 1841 with son age 9 months.
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1871 Stapleton shows Isabella Moscrop with her widowed mother, father Thomas died 1866 aged 30 years - Longtown 10b 271
RG10 Piece 5212 Folio 11Page 16
Sandra
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Bridget Steel and her son Richard age 1 appear on the 1851 as daughter and grandson to William & Margaret Blaylock
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freeBMD is showing the marriage of an Isabella Moscrop in Carlisle R.D. in the 3rd quarter of 1875.
On the same page they show the names of three women and only two men, so possibly the missing man's name is Thomas Steele?
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According to a family tree entry Isabella Moscrop married Arthur Steel in 1875 (which would be the Carlisle 10b 710 entry - Sept 1875) and then Thomas Steel at Gretna Green, Dumfries-shire 10 May 1880.
Sandra
Added : Gretna Green Marriage Registers show the marriage Isabel Steel to Thomas Steel both of the Parish of Kirkandrews Cumberland - 10 May 1880
Witness George Moscrop and John Telford.
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Good finds JenB and Sandra :D
Jan ;)
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The probate for Isabella Steel of Leapsrigg Walton Cumberland (wife of Thomas Steel) died 24 February 1945 - Administration Carlisle 9 October to Robert Arthur Steel retired Greyhound Trainer and John Steel retired Railway Official. Effects £912 9s 4d.
Probate for Thomas Steel died 13 Nov 1948 - Probate Carlisle 27 Sept. To Robert Arthur Steel (Greyhound Trainer) and John Steel (retired railway official) and Richard James Steel (farmer) Effects £7986 3s 4d
Sandra
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thank you
Sorry for any confusion, I meant to say Bewcastle, not Newcastle and Isabella Moscrop Steele was born in 1901 in Brampton, she is in the 1911 census with the family
Looking at the census, you guys are right, James's last name does look like Moscrop, but its so faded that it cannot be certified.
I think the best thing would be to get the certificates
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Isabella Moscrop Steel married John Dodd - Brampton - Q4 - Oct/Nov/Dec 1931 - 10b 923
Isabella born 21 Janauary 1901 died May 1988 - Carlisle - Vol 1 Page 255
Sandra
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Where did you find the tree?
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Did Arthur and Isabella have any children?
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Where did you find the tree?
If it's the same one I've found , it's on Ancestry , Arthur Steel dies in 1878 , Isabella and Arthur had 2 children Jane , 1875 -1950, and Robert Arthur 1877-1972 There's a picture of Isabella and one of her daughter Jane and her family
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The family tree was on ancestry.
Arthur Steel died Q4 - Dec 1878 - Longtown - 10b 303
Possibly the first 2 children - Jane and Robert Arthur Steel were the children of Isabella and Arthur Steel but only the birth certificates will tell you for certain.
Isabella did not marry Thomas Steel 10 May 1880 so likely the next child John was the first result of that union.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SBNS-731
Sandra
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Thank you