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Title: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Wednesday 17 September 14 09:59 BST (UK)
Hi

Original Paget born abt 1803 in Shiffnal, Shropshire, England ( According to census )
Rebecca Skelton born abt 1804 Wellington Shropshire, England ( According to census )

I have come across a marriage on the 25 Aug 1827 Madeley,​Shropshire,​England between

Ancestry says the 19th Aug 1827 ...could be Banns ????

Rebecca Skelton and Original Paget ..this is on Family search ( IGI ) the couple appear on the

1841 together living Dawley Magna, Shropshire, England
1851 together Living Great Dawley Shropshire, England
then
so Rebecca Paget dies between 1851 and 1861 ???????
1861 Original Paget is a widower Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
1871 Original Paget is a widower Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England ( Visitor with married daughter Sarah Duffield nee Paget)

NOTE on every census Original ( Name ) ????? spelt differently
1841 Oreginold Pagut
1851 Original Paget
1861 Ouginal Paget
1871 Crisinal Pagett

So to my question and request ..
1. Please has anyone got access to the ORIGINAL parish records ( NOT a transcript ?) ( I know the transcript is on the IGI)
2. I'm keen to know the Correct spelling of the name Original?
3. Any death for both Rebecca Paget between 1851 and 1861 ( Now Found thanks to Groom ) and Original Paget after 1871 would be great
4. Any parents to either would be a great bonus

Frankly I'm at a brick wall with them both.


Any help VERY much appreciated.

Kind Regards Judi

Note ...........I have the children to this couple Thank you
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: groom on Wednesday 17 September 14 11:15 BST (UK)
Death for Rebecca?

Rebecca Paget
Birth year   1803.
Death  1853
Age   50
Burial date   09 Aug 1853. Dawley Parva
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: jacquelineve on Wednesday 17 September 14 13:17 BST (UK)
 
 Quite a few Skelton baptism's at Wellington Shropshire with parents Isaac + Sarah, but also..

Rebecca Shelton 18th Sept 1803 Wellington -parents Isaac + Sarah.. possible mis-transcription?

Jackie
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Wednesday 17 September 14 13:37 BST (UK)
Hi Jackie

Now that is VERY interesting Sarah and Original Paget named 2 children Isaac and Sarah  :D

So it looks like family may have looked like this
Father Isaac Skelton
Mother Sarah
children
Isaac Skelton 25 Dec 1797 WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Hannah Skelton 25 Dec 1797  WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
James Skelton  27 Apr 1800 WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Rebecca Skelton 18 Sept 1803  WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Ann Skelton 2 February 1806 WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND

thats a great help thanks for the effort from both Groom and Jackie

Judi  :D

Note the above dates are Baptism dates NOT birth for any others who may need them
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: jacquelineve on Wednesday 17 September 14 13:46 BST (UK)
 
 Judi
       This also may be worth taking a note of, (possibly another mis-transcription)

Death Wolverhampton Staffs   Dec qtr 1877   Reginald Pagett  est.birth year 1807

Jackie
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: groom on Wednesday 17 September 14 13:48 BST (UK)
Rebecca's death is on Freebmd but the spelling is Pagett

Deaths Sept 1853
Pagett    Rebecca        Madeley    6a   354    
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Wednesday 17 September 14 14:05 BST (UK)
Fantastic

Thank you both so much I feel I'm getting somewhere at last  :D

Kind regards judi
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Wednesday 17 September 14 14:59 BST (UK)
Original Paget married Rebecca Skelton on 25th August 1827, after Banns. Both were of the parish.

Original signed his name, Rebecca signed with X.

Witnesses: James Stephens and Purcilla? Paget. Both signed with X.
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Wednesday 17 September 14 15:04 BST (UK)
There is a marriage of a Priscilla Paget to a John Bratton on 28th December 1834, Eyton on Wealdsmoor, Shropshire. Priscilla signed with X.

Witnesses: Henry Paget, signed his name and Hannah Baugh?
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Wednesday 17 September 14 15:04 BST (UK)
Hi SGF

Many thanks for that information please can you state where this was found so the source information can be added to the tree .

Please can I ask have you got a view of the original or is this a Transcript just so I know

your help VERY much appreciated


Many thanks Judi
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Wednesday 17 September 14 15:19 BST (UK)
It's in parish records for Eyton, and is from original.
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Wednesday 17 September 14 15:21 BST (UK)
Priscilla Pagett birth in Priorslee records, Shifnal:

born 23rd March 1810, christened 8th April. Parents Henry and Elizabeth Pagett
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Wednesday 17 September 14 15:27 BST (UK)
There is a baptism for a Henry Paget, 9th July 1815 at Chapel of Priorslee, Shifnal to a Henry and Elizabeth Paget, gives Henry's occupation as a forgeman.
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Wednesday 17 September 14 15:45 BST (UK)
Possibly Henry Paget snr on 1851 census in Great Dawley:

Born 1779 Staffs. Occupation: Shingler.

Wife: Elizabeth

Reference: HO107

Pce No. 1988 Folio: 143 Pg: 29
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Wednesday 17 September 14 15:47 BST (UK)
this is fantastic

Looks like also an Ann Paget born 1800 baptised 7 Dec 1800 Shifnal according to Family search and a
Mary Paget  birth 17 October 1812 christening 15 November 1812 Priors Lee Shifnal
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: jacquelineve on Wednesday 17 September 14 15:48 BST (UK)
Possible same Henry at Dawley Magna in 1841 census

Jackie
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Wednesday 17 September 14 16:41 BST (UK)
Mary Paget  birth 17 October 1812 christening 15 November 1812 Priors Lee Shifnal

marriage
to Samuel Knowles 21 Mar 1841 Malinslee, Shropshire, England

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then we see the 1851 census for
Henry Paget and Elizabeth ( Senior)


Henry Paget   72
Elizabeth Paget   70
Henry Paget   12 Grand son......15 Aug 1838 baptised to Henry Paget ( Junior )  and Margaret 
Emma Knowler   9 Grand daughter.................. Knowles
Mary Ann Knowler 7 Grand daughter............... Knowles   children of daughter Mary and Samuel Knowles
William Bulliss   23 Lodger .........also a grand son ....son of Susannah Paget born 1804 who married
 to Joseph Bullas 22 May 1825 St Mary's, Kingswinford,​ Stafford,​ England

The family are at last opening up


Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: jacquelineve on Wednesday 17 September 14 17:01 BST (UK)
Marriage Henry Paget (jnr) + Margaret Brown 20 Dec 1835 Eyton Shropshire

Jackie
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Wednesday 17 September 14 17:13 BST (UK)
Possible marriage for Rebecca's parents Isaac and Sarah on Familysearch, its been mistranscribed or the writing was really bad :-\

Isaac Scelton
Sarah Galeea

26 Dec 1788, Dawley Magna, Shrops
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Wednesday 17 September 14 17:16 BST (UK)
Isaac's death:

Isaac Skelton of Horsehay,age 63. Buried at Dawley 30th August 1821.
 
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Wednesday 17 September 14 17:35 BST (UK)
If the marriage is correct 26 Dec 1788 ...looks like were missing some earlier children
this is what we have so far

Hannah Skelton
1797 –

Isaac Skelton
1797 –

James Skelton
1800 –

Rebecca Skelton
1803 – 1853

Ann Skelton
1806 –
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Wednesday 17 September 14 17:36 BST (UK)
That death is a great help thanks  :D
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Wednesday 17 September 14 17:38 BST (UK)
This could well be a baptism for Isaac too

Isaac Skelton

Baptism 14 Sep 1760
Dawley Magna,Shropshire,England
Father   Thomas Skelton
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Wednesday 17 September 14 17:55 BST (UK)
Two more children for Isaac and Sarah:

Elizabeth baptised 24th April 1791, Wellington All Saints
Mary baptised 6th September 1789 Wellington All Saints

There's a John baptised 31st March 1793 to an Isaac but the mother is Mary :-\

All are transcribed as Shelton but looking at the original record it does say Skelton.
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Wednesday 17 September 14 19:05 BST (UK)
Thats great SG

That makes me much happier with the marriage of 1788 for Isaac and Sarah :D

You have all been fantastic on this search the Tree today has gained so many new contacts /Records / names and Generations

Many Many Thanks for all the hard work and effort.

Every piece of information has proved another family  line and indeed proved many online tree's to be WRONG ...... ( Not that I ever use them anyway) ... amazing what good research can throw up .

Kind Regards Judi

If anything else comes up please keep posting  ;)

Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Thursday 18 September 14 10:59 BST (UK)
"
Isaac Skelton

Baptism 14 Sep 1760
Dawley Magna,Shropshire,England
Father   Thomas Skelton"

There are a number of children listed on the IGI with father THOMAS with mother on IGI listed as Tim/Timothy ???????

Thomas Skelton  (Junior)
1753 –

Mary Skelton
1755 –

Isaac Skelton
1760 – 1821

Abraham Skelton
1762 –

Jacob Skelton
1766 –

Samuel Skelton
1768 – 1775

Ann Skelton
1770 –

Samuel Skelton
1775 –

There is also a Marriage which looks a great poss for a Thomas Skelton to a Tomason Catholidge on the 26 Dec 1852 Madley Shropshire.

Wondering please if the original image is available ? to see if the mothers names can be looked at to confirm any details .

Any help appreciated
Judi



 

Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Thursday 18 September 14 14:15 BST (UK)
Jacob's and Samuel's baptisms give mother's name as Timothy, father Thomas.

The marriage in 1752, the writing looks like, Thomas Skelton and Tomason Catholidge. The writing on the previous page is so much easier to read ::)
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Thursday 18 September 14 14:22 BST (UK)
Hi sfg

Many thanks for taking the trouble to look at it for me, appreciated


Judi
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Thursday 18 September 14 14:24 BST (UK)
Ann's baptism says mother is Timothy too. Maybe need to see what her death cert may say :-\
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Thursday 18 September 14 14:59 BST (UK)
Haven't managed to find a death for 'Timothy' yet, but will keep looking :)
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: sgf28 on Thursday 18 September 14 15:13 BST (UK)
Have found a baptism for a Thomason Cartlidge on 6th November 1737, Burslem, St John. Parents are Stephen and Thomason Cartlidge.
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Thursday 18 September 14 15:58 BST (UK)
Their looks to be at least 3 children to that couple Stephen and Thomason

Thomasin Catholidge/Cartlidge
1737 –

Stephen Cartlidge.
1739 –

Mary Cartlidge.
1740 –



AND interesting on free REG


Church.....   St Peter Ad Vincula, Stoke-Upon-Trent. Staffordshire
Marriage on the    29 May 1731
Groom Stephen CARTLITCH
of the Parish of    Stoke-Upon-Trent
marriage to    
Bride   Timison CARTLTICH
Bride also called Cartltich.....................?????   
Bride of the parish of Stoke-Upon-Trent
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Thursday 18 September 14 16:05 BST (UK)
Just looked at another Free Reg entry for the same parish in the timeframe and the same thing

in 1706  Church St Peter Ad Vincula ( same as above)
Stephen CARTLITCH
married
Marg'ta  CARTLITCH

So it looks to me like the wife's maiden name was not  recorded and just listed in her new married name.
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Thursday 18 September 14 16:21 BST (UK)
Death
Thomasin CARTLIDGE ( no age given ) 8 Nov 1737 St John the Baptist

That may well cancel out the child to Stephen and Thomason

 :(  Death 2 days after baptism
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: bertieboy13 on Wednesday 11 February 15 16:18 GMT (UK)
Hi,
    Original paget died 11 October 1877 as Reginald Pagett on death certificate in Wolverhampton. Witness was Sarah Duffield (daughter).
Title: Re: Skelton / Paget Marriage
Post by: judi2632 on Wednesday 11 February 15 16:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Bertieboy

 ;D Many thanks for that, all makes sense and ties in very nicely thank you very much.

Kind Regards Judi