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Title: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: pammy86 on Monday 22 September 14 00:15 BST (UK)
Hi I am stuck in family tree, my granddad was much older when he had kids and he died before I was born. He has lied in documents for example to get in the army in world war 2. He was in the RAF. I know that he died in 03/03/1983 and was born on the 14th dec year about 1922. I realise this is close to impossible as in the 1920s the records for Belfast were also burnt in the Dublin fire. I also know that he married my gran on September 13th 1956 an Ellen Hartley, I know from the marriage certificate that his dad was also James Wilson, this leaves me completely stuck as I can find no other records of him other than hearsay that he was in the nortumberland fusiliers during world war 1. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, Pam
Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 22 September 14 00:19 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat

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Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: groom on Monday 22 September 14 00:24 BST (UK)
What was his name - do you mean that he was also called James Wilson or was that his father?

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Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: pammy86 on Monday 22 September 14 00:25 BST (UK)
oh goodness sorry it kept telling me there was an error and it had failed. Sorry
Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: pammy86 on Monday 22 September 14 00:26 BST (UK)
They are both James no middle names or other names that I know off.
Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: pammy86 on Monday 22 September 14 00:32 BST (UK)
James senior was in the Northumberland fusiliers in ww1 and was wounded in action. His son my granda was in the Raf in world war 2. I cant find more information on either. Sorry for the confusion  :)
Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: gaffy on Monday 22 September 14 05:47 BST (UK)

They are both James no middle names or other names that I know off.


If these are the correct couple and the details reported are accurate, then it was James Robert Wilson:

https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=V&GraveNumber=2429&CemeteryName=Roselawn%20Cemetery

I think you may have no alternative but to visit GRONI in Belfast to get his birth.
Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 22 September 14 07:48 BST (UK)
... I know that he died in 03/03/1983 and was born on the 14th dec year about 1922. I realise this is close to impossible as in the 1920s the records for Belfast were also burnt in the Dublin fire. I also know that he married my gran on September 13th 1956 an Ellen Hartley, I know from the marriage certificate that his dad was also James Wilson...

No vital records (Births, marriages, deaths) were lost and the 1901 and 1911 census are both online (free). The 'lost' records that were destroyed in Dublin were some census records & some Church of Ireland registers- many of the earlier census records were pulped by government order during WWI after population figures (the while point of the census) were recorded).
Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: pammy86 on Monday 22 September 14 12:26 BST (UK)
Hi Gaffy yes that's my gran and granddads burial plot, my uncle mistakenly put Robert down as his middle name but its not . I'm stuck trying to find out the name of my great granny. James senior born in 1897s wife, my gandad was the oldest born in 1922 so I can't view a birth certificate for him to find his mums name due to the 100 year law.
Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: AMBLY on Monday 22 September 14 12:46 BST (UK)
Hi Pam

You've added the information that James WILSON snr was born 1897?   Where does that date come from?

Have you ever heard any talk of why he may have enlisted in the Northumberland Fusiliers? Was he Irish, or English?

Sorry,  lots of questions!

Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: pammy86 on Monday 22 September 14 13:09 BST (UK)
Hi Ambly :) , I know he was born in that year as I have seen his death certificate which thankfully had his age on it. So its definitely about 1897. We are from Ireland/Belfast, I don't understand how its the nortumberland fusiliers myself, but my dad is adamant that there was so kind of recruitment for them at the city hall which his granddad enlisted in. I don't know if this was accurate, sorry im being so vague. My granddad was a completely different generation so my dad never really asked him much about his dad (james senior) when he was alive. So I'm really starting from scratch :). I know in later years James senior lived in McFarland court and Eureka St but his wifes name is something I still cant find. My family say that she died in childbirth when her son my granddad was away in the RAf in ww2.
Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: pammy86 on Monday 22 September 14 15:36 BST (UK)
I just have no idea what james seniors wife was called :s
Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: AMBLY on Tuesday 23 September 14 05:29 BST (UK)
Hi Pam,

What was James' Snr's date of death?
And his address at the time (on the death cert)?

Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: pammy86 on Tuesday 23 September 14 15:44 BST (UK)
It says the 8th of August 1959 late of 6 mcfarlands court. Strangely the cemetery have his last place of residence as 37 Eureka street :)
Title: Re: Hi can someone help me?
Post by: gaffy on Tuesday 23 September 14 20:12 BST (UK)

I think you may have no alternative but to visit GRONI in Belfast to get his birth.


pammy86, I still think this is still the only solid(ish) route to go back, happy to be proved wrong...