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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: hmillar on Thursday 25 September 14 00:23 BST (UK)
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I'm researching from the US the Millar branch of my family.
Dr John Millar lived here from at least 1860 to 1901. My great grandfather was born here, It is either in Manse Road or Main St, but I don't have a house number only the name
I am considering a trip to Scotland and am considering a side trip to Newmains.
If there is anyone local in this area who could help me identify exacty where this house ise is I would be grateful. Many thanks
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Hi
I live in Newmains and could check it out for you if you like
Rose Marie
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Thank you. I have no idea if the house is still standing. I found a reference to the house in the 1920 valuation records on the ScotlandsPeople website. Google street view has not been helpful.
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I think Main St later became Manse Road. Quite a few of those old cottages are still standing, so you may be in luck.
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Hi
I will do some research for you at our local library Newmains is a small village but is rapidly growing will let you know what I find .
Our library has a book on old Newmains that you can buy you may be able to look at it online
RM
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In the c1920s/30s, there was a large house (still there ? ) used as a Doctor's Surgery at 140 Manse Road - perhaps worth trying to check if this was ever known as 'Mossview House'.
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The Moss referred to is probably Greenhead Moss and a house called Moss View would suggest that the property overlooks the moss. That being the case would probably be along Manse Road towards Cambusnethan.
Woodhead Road used to come over along side the moss to Eastmuir St (Cambusnethan Miners Club at bottom) Around there Moss Road was further up on left, Moss Colliery on Woodhead Road, Various Streets opposite in area called Mossneuk. May have been around area where housing estate is at Foulsykes Farm?
I left the area 30 odd years ago so it is just a suggestion.
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Also there was a large red sandstone house on the corner opp. The Horse and Anchor which if I remember was a childrens home. It would certainly give a view over the moss. I google street viewd it but it has gone however the walls and iron railings are still there.
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Checked 1891 census and it is listed as
Moss View House
Manse Road
Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire
John Millar Head Married 47 Medical Practitioner Registered b Paisley, Scotland
Isabella Millar Wife 37
Christina Millar Daughter 21 b Lanarkshire,
Alexander Millar Son 20 Medical Student b Lanarkshire
James Millar Son 18 Medical Student b Lanarkshire
Mary Millar Daughter 17 b Lanarkshire
John Millar Son 15 Scholar b Lanarkshire
William A Millar Son 5 b Lanarkshire
Hunter Millar Son 3 b Lanarkshire
Charles Millar Son 2 bLanarkshire
Charles Adamson Visitor 20 Medical Student
Marion Millar Servant 20 Servant (Domestic) b Lanarkshire
Mary J Martin Servant 16 Servant (Domestic) b Lanarkshire
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Valuation Rolls would give you the addresses adjacent to it
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1871 census has him at Moss view Cottage. 1881 and 1891 at Moss view House. The family had considerably expanded so I suppose it is possible you are looking at two different properties.
He may have built a bigger house as family and his finances grew.
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Thanks deebel and sancti
The valuation rolls only give the name of Mossview on Manse street There is no house number when a name is given. Looking at the valuation rolls for different years there is no pattern in the order in which properties appear on Manse Street. For instance in 1895 Next to Mossview on the roll is the Newmains and Cambusnethan Co-operative Society shops and committee rooms, in 1920 Mossview is next to Dundly House.
So I think identifying the actual house, if it still stands, will be near to impossible.
But a visit to Manse St Newmains woud be fascinating and is on my bucket list.
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Hi
Manse Road in Newmains is now the main shopping area but going through it today it looks like some of the shops used to be cottages so it may be one of them. Main Street is still there but there is not really anything that looks like a cottage from way back I could send you a picture of Manse Road and Main Street if you like
Rm
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Ok I will postulate that Moss View Cottage was the property at the corner of Manse Rd and School Rd. My reasons are that the property is a 2 story villa but if you look closely it was originally a cottage with (accessed from School Road) a separate outbuilding for stabling a doctors necessary pony and trap. Furthermore at the end of the outbuilding there is a people doorway accessible from the street which may have been a surgery. At the time of construction the cottage must have had a view over the moss towards West Crindledyke hence the name. Assuming the above to be correct then I think the family outgrew and a new house was built facing the original and called MossView House. The red sandstone structure would have been large enough to accommodate his household of 13 inc 3 servants and I note a side gate and doorway like a custom built surgery was included. The current Coltness church would not have existed when the doctor was in practice originally. The original church is on the left of School Road past the Newmains Primary and is currently a nursery as far as I can see (originally a combined church and schoolhouse building) The manse I think was the building used as church halls behind the busstop before it was demolished and housing constructed. If I am correct, and others living in the area can blow it out of the water, then the house(s) still exist and Manse Road probably stopped at that point.
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Wow! deebel, what a thoughtful analysis. I can see this house on Google street view exactly as you describe. The Crindledyke reference is interesting, in the 1895 valuaiton rolls the listing before Mossview is for 2 houses on Stirling Road, Crindledyke.
The house was up for sale recently
http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/73-manse-road/newmains/wishaw/ml2-9bl/26459879
so it interesting to see the interior
It is exactly he kind of house I was expecting and you explanation of the additions as the Doctors family and practice grew makes sense.
Many many thanks
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The house is considerably bigger than it looks so I am thinking there only ever was the cottage which was altered and expanded to become Mossview House. It was built after the OS map of 1862. It needs local scrutiny to see see if there is evidence of the name - could be painted in gilt on the fanlght above the front door for instance. Must say I am pretty convinced it is the house you seek and is intact.
Glad to have helped.
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I can possibly add a little to the story.
There was / still is a large sandstone house on Manse Road that at one time was the doctor's surgery.
He was Doctor Little (a gentleman) who was very tall and slim and wore round spectacles, he was my doctor. I don't if it was after he died or retired the doctor's practice moved to school road, I can remeber vivdly entering the door like into a living room and rows of benched for the patients. I looked at the sandstone building just at the weekend prior to reading this post, just to see if it still has "surgery" on the glass above the door.
Regards,
Ally
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Dear Ally, How very interesting! Dr Little is listed in the valuation rolls as the owner in the years after my ancestor, Dr John Millar died. Thank you.
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Well there you are, it's the one on Manse Road. If you want I'll get a picture at the weekend, it's too dark when I get home from work.
Cheers,
Ally
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Oh that would be lovely. Thank you
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Dear Ally, How very interesting! Dr Little is listed in the valuation rolls as the owner in the years after my ancestor, Dr John Millar died. Thank you.
When Dr Millar retired he would simply have stayed in his own house. The incoming doctor would need to secure new premises which is why I believe Dr Little practised from the opposite side of Manse Road. If you look at the various maps I posted prev. The house at the corner of School Road was there before the red sandstone house was built.
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The North Lanarkshire Council interactive map for its development plans shows the outbuilding of the house on the corner of School Road as a Surgery. That is where I believe Miller practised in the grounds of his own house Mossview (currently No 73 Manse Road)
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If what I have been told the house you are talking about was the practice of Dr Little around the 1940/50 then went went on to be the practice of Dr Bowman and Dr Gibb. Dr Bowman then lived in the house adjacent to the practice which was Mossviewcottagenewmains.
I went to school with one of Dr Bowman's daughters
They were both excellent doctors
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I spoke with my sister last night and she has corrected me. Dr John Little practiced at the White bungalow on Manse Road with the red chips in front of it. Bowman or Gibbons stayed on the corner of Manse Road / School Road with surgery being round the back . There was another doc further along Manse Road it became the vets
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I think all are dancing round the same pile of handbags lol. As regards the OP's query I think Miller resided and practised at the house on the corner of School Road and Manse Road. Presumably there were other GP's after Miller but before Little? Another surgery or surgeries could have sprung up and Gibb / Bowman eventually reverting to the Miller house. Does this make sense?
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Thank you all very much for the information and explanations. I definitely need to come to look around Newmains. Hilary