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Title: brand new at genealogy
Post by: Green Gables on Thursday 25 September 14 12:17 BST (UK)
Hi, I am very new to genealogy, and have been looking for information on William Taylor, which seems to be the most common name in the world. The furtherest I have gone back is to a William Taylor born in 1786, but he had a son William (born 1826), a grandson William (born 1855), and a great grandson William (born 1884) all with the surname Taylor.
I naively assumed that having their years of birth would make my research easy, but I am finding so many more William Taylors and starting to wonder how to know who is who. Hoping I get the hang of this before too many more generations of William Taylor are born!
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: groom on Thursday 25 September 14 12:25 BST (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat. Not an easy name, but slightly better than Mary Smith.  ;D  I'm sure there are people here who will be able to help if you get stuck. Just give as many details as you can, but remember not to mention living people.

Good luck with a very addictive hobby.
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: josey on Thursday 25 September 14 12:48 BST (UK)
Another welcome from me  :)

It's very tempting [irresistable in fact  ;D] when you start researching family history to try to go back as far as you can as quickly as you can. Experience teaches you that accuracy is more important than distance back in time; this is harder with a more common name. Nearly all families in centuries past used the same forenames over the generations; there is a naming pattern which was summarised by JM Strachan here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=682310.msg5267687#msg5267687
The Scottish naming pattern is the tradition of naming children in a set order after ancestors: eldest son named for paternal grandfather, eldest daughter for maternal grandmother, second son for maternal grandfather, second daughter for paternal grandmother.. After these names 'ran out' parents often used their siblings names, which of course were other family names!

As groom says, post what you know & can confirm [places & dates of births & marriages, wives names etc.] & I am sure you will get lots of help.

Josey
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: Green Gables on Thursday 25 September 14 13:21 BST (UK)
Thank you Groom and Josey for the welcome. The Scottish naming pattern clarifies a lot! There seem to be Taylor families  in 1700s and 1800s with a limited number of Christian names such as William, Arthur, Charles and Henry....so the fathers, sons, grandfathers and cousins all share the same names. Thanks for the tips, and I am looking forward to this (already addictive) journey :)
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: josey on Thursday 25 September 14 13:26 BST (UK)
It can be very confusing. I once came across a Scottish family when researching for a Canadian friend; an Alexander & Margaret had 3 sons about 1 - 2 yrs apart all named Alexander [1st son for paternal grandfather, 2nd for maternal grandfather, 3rd for father] so there were 4 Alexanders in the  house. No doubt they all had nick names but I wouldn't have liked to have to try to follow the sons through the censuses  ::). 
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: Green Gables on Thursday 25 September 14 14:54 BST (UK)
I have some more dates here and wondering if anyone has any information on these Taylors?

William Taylor b. 1786 married to Sarah Taylor b.1789
their sons - William Taylor b. 1826
               - Charles Henry Taylor b. 1831, married to Adelaide (Hughes) Taylor b.1831

Charles & Adelaide had a son - William Henry Taylor b. 1853, married to Mary 'Louisa' Tuite b.1854

Apologies if I've set this out incorrectly.
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: Erin2012 on Thursday 25 September 14 15:07 BST (UK)
Hi!

Welcome to a great site and the most addicting hobby ever.

Do you happen to know place of birth to help with the search?n ;)
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: Green Gables on Friday 26 September 14 00:05 BST (UK)
Hi Erin2012,

To be honest, I'm somewhat confused, but,  I think William Taylor b.1786, was born in Wrexham, Denbighshire. He was an Iron Founder, and his wife Sarah was born in Ecceshall, Staffordshire.
It appears they moved to Toxteth Park, Lancashire before having their own children.

I seem to be going around in circles, and everytime I think I have found something, the dates or names of siblings etc don't match up. I started gathering these names and families of all every William Taylor I found (assuming they were probably cousins)....but now I seem to only be moving sideways in my search.
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: maddys52 on Friday 26 September 14 06:23 BST (UK)
Hi Green Gables,

I think you should start at the beginning with what you know for sure. Having a quick look at all your William Taylors got me going round in circles too. I can see baptism for William Robert Taylor in Liverpool 10 Sept 1884, but the parents are William and Mary Ann? (on familysearch) Whereas there are two William Taylors b 1884 in Liverpool, 6 in West Derby (and about 80 born in Lancashire!) There is a marriage for William Henry and Mary Louisa in West Derby in Jun qtr 1877 (Mary Louisa b Sep qtr 1854) - all on Free BDM.

You should try to check the census info to make sure you have the right family. Maybe post a lookup on the Lancashire board if you don't have access yourself.

Good luck!
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: josey on Friday 26 September 14 07:38 BST (UK)
I think you should start at the beginning with what you know for sure.

Maddys52 is right. And the beginning is as near the present day as you have proof for, perhaps your grandparents, and this may involve buying a few birth & marriage certificates [get them from GRO online, at 10 each they are cheaper than anywhere else]. Why don't you let us know what is CERTAIN [not naming any living people of course] so we can trace backwards with confidence. It's the most efficient way!!

Josey
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: Green Gables on Saturday 27 September 14 01:58 BST (UK)
Thanks Maddys52 and Josey.
I have a grandfather Alan Paul Taylor who married Hazel Hulse. I'm not sure where or when they were born (I suspect that Alan was born in England and came to Australia as a child, but could be wrong). Alan's father was Arthur Taylor (b. somewhere in England on 21.05.1880).
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 27 September 14 07:50 BST (UK)
Welcome to rootschat from me too.

You need to purchase your grandfather's marriage certificate which should give you both of his parent's names. I think it might also give his place of birth. Unless you are sure of all of your grandfather's details there is no way you can go further back in time.

His death certificate, if he is deceased, should give you similar information, but sometimes the informant may not know, in which case the information provided on the d/c is only as accurate as the informant's knowledge.

How do you know Alan's father's is Arthur and how do you know his date of birth? Do you know who Arthur married? If so, can you let us know? If he is from England and married there we can try to find his marriage. With such a common name we need to know Arthur's wife's name - as it is necessary to pair up the correct couples.

You have to work back systematically and purchase relevant certificates along the way.
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: groom on Saturday 27 September 14 09:33 BST (UK)
Unless you have other information that you haven't mentioned, I'm not sure how you have managed to get back to William Taylor in the 1700s. If you don't know where Arthur Taylor was born how have you managed to connect him with his father?

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.  I seem to be going around in circles, and everytime I think I have found something, the dates or names of siblings etc don't match up. I started gathering these names and families of all every William Taylor I found (assuming they were probably cousins)....but now I seem to only be moving sideways in my search. 

I think as others have said, you need to perhaps start again and work backwards step by step checking everything with certificates and census. You are working with a very common name and they will not all be connected and related to the same family.
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 27 September 14 10:00 BST (UK)
Assuming that Arthur Taylor was born in 1880 as you say, checking Freebmd for births registered for Arthur Taylors in 1880, there are well over 100-150. So how ever to find out which is yours?

Generally, with less common names, we would go to the 1881 census to see if we can locate the correct Arthur Taylor as a 1 year old, using various things such as parent's names, place of birth, father's occupation, siblings, etc ... However with your Arthur Taylor we have absolutely nothing to identify him apart from an exact date of birth., and there are hundreds of Arthur Taylors.

 To me, it is strange that you know his exact date of birth but not his place of birth.  :-\

Do you have any certificates at all for any of these Taylors?
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Sunday 28 September 14 07:19 BST (UK)
I have a grandfather Alan Paul Taylor who married Hazel Hulse. I'm not sure where or when they were born (I suspect that Alan was born in England and came to Australia as a child, but could be wrong). Alan's father was Arthur Taylor (b. somewhere in England on 21.05.1880).

I haven't a clue where you are getting your information from but your grandfather Alan Paul TAYLOR was born in NSW & died in QLD:

Birth:
Alan P TAYLOR b. 13/08/1916 WARATAH #28153
Parents: Arthur & Lily

Death:
Alan Paul TAYLOR d. 23/08/1992 HERVEY BAY

Burial:
Alan Paul TAYLOR bur. 24/08/1992 War Section, Polson Cemetery, Point Vernon, QLD

Photo:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01a94/

Details:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01a93/
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Sunday 28 September 14 07:27 BST (UK)
Alan Paul TAYLOR - WW2 service files:

http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/6615986/

http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=A&VeteranId=600503
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 28 September 14 07:28 BST (UK)
Excellent information Merlin! :)
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Sunday 28 September 14 07:40 BST (UK)
Your grandmother Hazel Margaret HULSE was born c. 1925 in QLD.

Her parents Henry Philip HULSE & Lillian THOMPSON were married 23/03/1922 QLD #B29728
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research/

Death:
Hazel Margaret TAYLOR d. 04/08/1964 QLD #B67697
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research/

Burial:
Hazel Margaret TAYLOR 39yrs bur. 06/08/1964 TOOWONG Cemetery
https://online.brisbane.qld.gov.au/cemeteries/cemeteries_step3.jsp?mapdisplay=172920
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: Green Gables on Monday 29 September 14 09:37 BST (UK)
WOW! Thank you all so much! There is so much great information there to work from!!! Alan Paul Taylor (deceased) was in a religious movement which practised a strict form of separation from any family or friends who were not in the same group. With so much estrangement and divison in families such as these, it is really difficult to get accurate information from anyone. But with this new information, it will hopefully be much easier to have a better starting point. Again, thank you all so much :)
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: Green Gables on Monday 29 September 14 10:01 BST (UK)
Actually in a bit of shock to see all that war info, as that was contrary to what I was told growing up. Cannot thank you all enough for your help!
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: maddys52 on Tuesday 30 September 14 11:46 BST (UK)
I notice on Alan's military records he gives his address as Tally Ho, and occupation as orchardist. Not sure, but sounds like he was at Tally Ho Boys' Training Farm in Victoria (close to where he enlisted as well). Here's a little info about it: http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/guide/vic/E000119
A long way from his father's address in Broadmeadow NSW.
Title: Re: brand new at genealogy
Post by: Green Gables on Tuesday 30 September 14 13:28 BST (UK)
Thanks maddys52. That is really interesting. The story passed down is that the land at Highbury Rd, Tally Ho belonged to Alan's father Arthur Taylor, and that while Arthur was away working in Newcastle, Alan ran it for him. I think the story is that Alan lived at their Tally Ho farm with his mother and sister, while Arthur worked at Newcastle Steel Mills to send money back to the family. I'm starting to question a few things, and think I need to do some more research.