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Hi there,
I am looking for any information on F.W Oscar Vetter, his wife Rosa and their children. I know that the family were circus artistes and later Music Hall Artistes. F. W Oscar Vetter was born in Berlin, Germany in 1851. I am not sure when he joined the circus but I know that he married a lady called Rosa and had three children. F W was known as Oscar and he has an entry in Turners' Circus guide. I know that in 1911. Oscar was living in London and was about 59 years old. I cannot find a death certificate for either Oscar or Rosa in U.K records. Did they emigrate to another country perhaps? If anyone has information about this family, I would love to hear from you.
Thank you
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You may have to take into account that many people with foreign sounding names anglicised them during WW1, particularly German.
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According to his son's marriage cert his full name was Frederick Wilhelm Oscar Vetter and he was not described as deceaced in 1912 at the time of his son's marriage
Marriage
Holy Trinity Upper Tulse Hill Lambeth
31 Jan 1912
Richard Dimitri Alfred Vetter 28 Bachelor Artist St James Parish Kennington SW father Frederick Wilhelm Oscar Vetter gentleman
Louisa Cole 27 Spinster Upper Tulse Hill father James Finlay Cole comedian
witnesses Phillip Easton Verstose?/ Hilda Baxter/ Clarence Smythson/ Constance Smythson
all signed
Oscar & Rosa according to a census had 7 children -3 died 4 were living
there is a tree on a*******y which gives Oscars parents as Gottleib Ludwig August Vetter & Johanne Reineger both b 1821
this tree needs further research.
Suz
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I have replied on your duplicate post
The post need merging
Suz
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Merged (don't worry, it was probably just a server hiccup).
I can at least provide you with the French birth of daughter Rosa Clara Giselle Vetter which gives her mother's maiden name.
http://archives.marne.fr/?id=recherche_guidee_etat_civil
(she was born Reims 16 Dec 1880 and registered on the 17th)
This link may work (she is on image 342, bottom left)
http://archives.marne.fr/ark:/86869/a011310543791b86W1p/1/1
Registered by midwife, Marie Claire Farce, aged 26, mother Rosa Steinecker, 25, gymnast, wife of Frederic Guillaume Oscar Vetter, 25, gymnast, residing in Berlin.
"Rue de la Peiriere No 5" was the place of birth, the residence of the midwife, and also the address of the witnesses - Jean Baptiste Rouge (40) and Adophe Melingue (43), occupation of both listed as artiste lyrique - opera singers.
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Thank you jocose for the information that you were able to give me. I have been searching for my Great Grandmothers' maiden name for a very long time and thanks to you, I now know what it was.
Also thanks to Jim1 who provided the details of my Grandfathers' Wedding. Please can you tell me which census shows Oscar and Rosa's seven children. I was only aware of my Grandfather, Great Uncle and Great Aunt. I had no idea that there were more children who did not survive.
Thank you both. Karolyn
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1911 census asks how many children in total;how many still living & how many died.
The answers were 7;4 & 3.
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Richard was naturalised with that surname in 1946 (Occupation "character actor")
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11817680
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Merged (don't worry, it was probably just a server hiccup).
Registered by midwife, Marie Claire Farce, aged 26, mother Rosa Steinecker, 25, gymnast, wife of Frederic Guillaume Oscar Vetter, 25, gymnast, residing in Berlin.
Interesting Rosa is described as a gymnast
In Shields Daily Gazette 3 Sept 1901 there is a review on the Tynemouth Palace Theatre- one of the acts is "the four Oscar Vetters, gymnasts"
Suz
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Thank you jocose for the information that you were able to give me. I have been searching for my Great Grandmothers' maiden name for a very long time and thanks to you, I now know what it was.
Also thanks to Jim1 who provided the details of my Grandfathers' Wedding. .
Thank you both. Karolyn
According to his son's marriage cert his full name was Frederick Wilhelm Oscar Vetter and he was not described as deceaced in 1912 at the time of his son's marriage
Marriage
Holy Trinity Upper Tulse Hill Lambeth
31 Jan 1912
Richard Dimitri Alfred Vetter 28 Bachelor Artist St James Parish Kennington SW father Frederick Wilhelm Oscar Vetter gentleman
Louisa Cole 27 Spinster Upper Tulse Hill father James Finlay Cole comedian
witnesses Phillip Easton Verstose?/ Hilda Baxter/ Clarence Smythson/ Constance Smythson
all signed
Oscar & Rosa according to a census had 7 children -3 died 4 were living
there is a tree on a*******y which gives Oscars parents as Gottleib Ludwig August Vetter & Johanne Reineger both b 1821
this tree needs further research.
Suz
I am assuming the details of your Grandfather's wedding was the marriage of Richard Dimitri Alfred Vetter?? Which was provided by me -not Jim1?
Two of the witnesses at the marriage were Clarence Smythson & Constance Smythson . Constance Smythson was Louisa Cole (the bride)'s mother and Clarence Smythson her stepfather
they married Jun qtr 1904 Southwark - Constance Louise C Cole & Clarence O L Smythson
Clarence was a Variety Artiste & Agent
Constance was an actress
Louisa Cole was born Glasgow
hope this helps fill a little more in
Suz
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Thanks Suz, this information was very helpful
Kind regards, Karolyn.
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they were in Walsall at one stage
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