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Title: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: Jaime2013 on Sunday 28 September 14 22:59 BST (UK)
Can anyone help me I am doing family tree for a family memeber (uncle by marriage) and I am at a died end. This is what information i have

Thomas Woodburn b-1776 Liverpool, Died- not sure but in 1851 in workhouse in Ulverston, Liverpool

He married Elizabeth Luke (Look) in 1806 Liverpool

They had 2 sons Thomas 1809 (married Frances Clark in 1833) and William 1808-1880 but there is a Jane but 100% sure.

Can anyone find out who this father and mother is and any more information
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 September 14 23:10 BST (UK)
The 1851 shows his birthplace as Ulverston - not Liverpool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulverston
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: Jaime2013 on Sunday 28 September 14 23:13 BST (UK)
well i have found him born in Liverpool and in Uvlerston
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 September 14 23:15 BST (UK)
The 1841 census does not show specific birthplaces - just whether somebody was born in the county in which they were living

Ulverston came under Lancashire at that time so if he was living in Liverpool and shown with a Y against the entry - that does not mean he was born there.  Just that he was born in Lancashire

The 1851 is the first census to show actual birthplaces and it shows Ulverston
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: Jaime2013 on Sunday 28 September 14 23:21 BST (UK)
i think he died in 2851 in a workhouse in Ulverston can you back this up? as i found him as an inmate in 1851 and he died the same year
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: Jaime2013 on Sunday 28 September 14 23:24 BST (UK)
I have his kids born Thomas 1809, William 1808 in liverpool and died at 1880 Ulverston Liverpool

and i found a Jane which I cant find a birth to
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 September 14 23:29 BST (UK)
The 1851 shows him in the WH in Ulverstone

Members of the public do not have access to the info on death certs so you would have to buy a copy of the cert to confirm he died in the WH

However - the 1851 death was registered in Preston.  If that was your Thomas and he died in Ulverstone - his death would have been registered in Ulverstone.  There are a number of possibilities in that RD between 1854-1861 and none have ages shown against the entries on freebmd
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: Jaime2013 on Sunday 28 September 14 23:36 BST (UK)
ok thanks
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 September 14 23:37 BST (UK)
There is a burial in St Mary's Ulverston on 23.12.1851 for a Thomas Woodburn aged 76 but no death on freebmd in the December qtr

There is also a burial at Holy Trinity Ulverston on 1.12.1857 for a Thomas Woodburn aged 79
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: Jaime2013 on Sunday 28 September 14 23:42 BST (UK)
i know i found a few thomas woodburns
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Monday 29 September 14 10:26 BST (UK)
proof you needed is on this site
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Baptism: 26 Apr 1807 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Jane Woodburn - Daughter of Thomas Woodburn & Elizabeth (formerly Luke)
    Born: 3 Feb 1807
    Abode: Renshaw St.
    Occupation: Shoemaker

Baptism: 30 Oct 1808 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Woodburn - Son of Thomas Woodburn & Elizabeth (formerly Luke)
    Born: 12 Oct 1808
    Abode: Renshaw St.
    Occupation: Shoemaker

Baptism: 22 Oct 1809 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Woodburn - Son of Thomas Woodburn & Elizabeth (formerly Luke)
    Born: 28 Sep 1809
    Abode: Renshaw St.
    Occupation: Shoemaker

Baptism: 28 Apr 1811 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Eleanor Woodburn - Dau of Thomas Woodburn & Elizabeth (formerly Look)
    Born: 31 Mar 1811
    Abode: Renshaw St
    Occupation: Shoe Maker

Baptism: 18 Apr 1813 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Samuel Woodburn - [Child] of Thomas Woodburn & Elizabeth
    Abode: Renshaw St
    Occupation: Shoemaker

Baptism: 12 Mar 1815 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Woodburn - [Child] of Thomas Woodburn & Elizabeth
    Abode: Cable St
    Occupation: Shoemaker

Baptism: 21 Jun 1818 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Agnes Woodburn - Daughter of Thomas Woodburn & Elizabeth
    Abode: Cable St
    Occupation: Shoe Maker

Baptism: 24 Dec 1820 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Woodburne - Son of Thomas Woodburne & Elisabeth
    Abode: Cable St.
    Occupation: Shoemaker


so that`s a lot for you to check ....
looks like EIGHT children to me .....


Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Monday 29 September 14 10:29 BST (UK)
to make it easier on
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
just put in
woodburn in surname
baptism
                              fathers name   Thomas
                              mothers name Elizabeth
search     click
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: Jaime2013 on Monday 29 September 14 10:40 BST (UK)
thanks i cudnt find the other children. i have only got 3.
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 29 September 14 10:59 BST (UK)
I donít believe thereís any Ulverston connection here; Thomas Woodburn was a Liverpool shoe maker who died in Liverpool in 1846.


1841 census

Thomas   Woodburn 65   Shoe Maker
Samuel   Woodburn 25 engraver
Elizabeth Woodburn 25
Thomas   Woodburn 20   attorney ap
Margaret Jones   25 FS


Children's Marriages

1843 Elizabeth Woodburn daughter of Thomas Woodburn, cordwainer, Paradise Street to Thomas Roberts (witnesses Samuel & Thomas Woodburn)

Directories
1814: Thomas Woodburn, Boot & Shoemaker, 15 Renshaw Street
1821: Thomas Woodburn, Boot & Shoemaker, 38 Cable Street
1825: Thomas Woodburn, Boot & Shoemaker, 11 Redman Place, Circus Street, shop, 85 Paradise Street
1827: Thomas Woodburn, Boot & Shoemaker, 11 Redmund Place, Circus Street, shop, 84 Paradise Street
1829: Thomas Woodburn, Boot & Shoemaker, 39 Cable Street, shop, 84 Paradise Street
1843: Thomas Woodburn, Boot & Shoemaker 22 Paradise Street
1846: Thomas Woodburn, Boot & Shoemaker 22 Paradise Street

Burials
1846: St John's Liverpool, 21st May:  Thomas Woodburn, of Paradise Street, aged 72
1847: St John's Liverpool, 5th Feb:  Elizabeth Woodburn, of Paradise Street, aged 65


Liverpool Mercury:
1832:  18th May: On Tuesday last, at St. Anne's Church, Mr. Wm. J. Peachy, of Cheltenham, to Eleanor, second daughter of Mr. Thomas  Woodburn, Paradise-street

1840: 11 Sep: death of Agnes, youngest daughter of Thomas  Woodburne, Paradise Street

1847: 5th Feb:  death of Mrs. Elizabeth Woodburn, widow of the late Mr. Thomas Woodburn, Paradise-street

Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Monday 29 September 14 11:07 BST (UK)
the good news is that there are NO burials for any of those children up to 1842 ...so looks like they all survived ..... cholera outbreak in Liverpool in late 1820`s and early 1830`s , so they must all have been strong children - one of my good friends here in Liverpool is a Woodburn .....the only Woodburn I have ever heard of ( that`s why I read all the posts )......makes me wonder if he is a descendant of Thomas and Elizabeth ...

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I have also just read Shauns post - Renshaw Street was and still is upmarket - so I presume Thomas was quite well off money wise ...
Shaun - does it give his age when he dies in 1846 ??
this is a possible for Thomas Woodburn baptism - there is no 1776 baptism - but one in 1779 ...if he happens to be 66 or 67 when he dies in 1846 - this might be his baptism

Baptism: 10 Oct 1779 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Woodburne - Son of John Woodburne
    Born: 21 Sep 1779
    Abode: Atherton Street
    Occupation: Surgeon
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Monday 29 September 14 11:10 BST (UK)
just re read Shauns post - Thomas died aged 72 in 1846
so Thomas b  1773 / 1774 ....
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: Jaime2013 on Monday 29 September 14 11:41 BST (UK)
thanks for ur help
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: Jaime2013 on Monday 29 September 14 21:06 BST (UK)
can anyone find his parents??? i have been told that there is a rumour saying they r from ireland
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: georgecansino on Friday 20 May 16 19:24 BST (UK)
I have just found this site and seem a little late but I have a Thomas Woodburn and Elizabeth Luke in my ancestry. Thomas seems to have been born around 1776 in Liverpool and died in 1846 NOT in a workhouse. Elizabeth Luke married him in Liverpool and they had some 7 children, 1 of whom Samuel was my ancestor

Hope this does not confuse

George
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: georgecansino on Tuesday 13 September 16 20:12 BST (UK)
I have just found this site, so here goes.

I am descended from Thomas/Elizabeth son Samuel. He is my greatx2 grandfather.He married Hannah Samuel and had many children. I am confused about the religion of these children but although there may be some baptismal records, most were brought up in the Jewish faith. For your info., Some of Samuels grand children reverted to the surname of Woodburn because of anti German sentiment in WW1.

Am interested in any antecedents of Thomas & Elizabeth

George Cansino

Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: ScouseBoy on Tuesday 13 September 16 20:55 BST (UK)
I used to live in Liverpool,  there is a long history of the Jewish  faith and community in Liverpool, members of that Faith have played a prominent part as Councillors  and Lord Mayors  of the City of Liverpool over the years.    So I suggest that you  try to  find Jewish archives.
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: Jaime2013 on Sunday 13 January 19 23:55 GMT (UK)
if anyone of you are still on this site and want information i have a family tree on ancestry with the family tree I am doing
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: Pilsley on Friday 08 March 19 16:38 GMT (UK)
My great granddad was Thomas Woodburn Thompson and his grandmother was Jane Woodburn. Her father was James Woodburn and he married Anna Pennington in 1771. Would it help if I spoke to you on the phone, if so I can post my phone number?  Ken Thompson
Title: Re: Thomas Woodburn 1776 Liverpool
Post by: Jaime2013 on Sunday 10 March 19 21:10 GMT (UK)
My great granddad was Thomas Woodburn Thompson and his grandmother was Jane Woodburn. Her father was James Woodburn and he married Anna Pennington in 1771. Would it help if I spoke to you on the phone, if so I can post my phone number?  Ken Thompson

I don't have any Anna Pennington sorry