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Fredrick and alice bowman
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Welcome to Rootschat
Fredrick and alice bowman
What do you want to know about them? I'm afraid unless you can give us some more information no one will be able to help. Anything will do - dates of birth, place of birth etc. don't mention the names of anyone who is or could still be alive.
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If you know they were travellers then you might get more joy from this board:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=387.0
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Is this the family you are looking for?
1901. RG13; Piece: 526; Folio: 82; Page: 45.
Deptford, Kent
Frederick Bowman. 30. Showman. Deptford
Alice Bowman. 29. Peckham
Herman Bowman. 6. Deptford
Harriett Bowman 4. Deptford
Florence Bowman. 1. Deptford
Above showman on the census image is written Exhib.
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Hi Grasses,
Groom has the right family in the census, there are a couple of old posts on here from 2012 from people who are relatives sadly though one only posted on RC 7 times and the other only once.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=362110.45
Joc42 has also been active quite recently on another site talking about the Bowmans, so she maybe the person to contact via PM when you have done 3 posts on here. Have copied and pasted what I found on the other site, so you can read it.
ALSO WE HAVE CONNECTIONS TO THE BOWMAN FAMILY - WHO OWNED A FAIRGROUND AND TRAVELLED IN AND AROUND THE DEPTFORD AREA WELL INTO THE 50-60'S
If it's not too late...
I would like to communicate about Fred and Alice Bowman, the latter a distant first cousin. I have some information and a grainy photo, but there are gaps I would love to fill.
Mark
Hi Mark,
Never too late! Not sure how much help I can be as my info is limited but I'll certainly try.
Regards,
Jo
Hello Jo
My link to the Bowman family is via a distant first cousin, Fred Bowman's wife: Alice Eleanor Williams [1871-c1964]
I have information about her and her Williams family background and where they came from. Do you have the painted lady article from the 1990's Mercury with her picture? I can send that if not. I think I also have one of Fred somewhere.
Any thing you can tell me would be potentially useful for my compilation. If you feel able to share off this forum you can contact me via
Regards
Mark
I have removed the email address which I will PM you.
Regards
Lyne
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Hi this is the family Fred and Alice were my mums grandparents my mums dad was Albert bowman Fred and Alice's son
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Hi nettieS this is the family I have the magazine with the photos
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Hi mark I have info regarding Fred and Alice bowman I think Alice was born in Wales
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Hi Grasses,
Mark wont see your reply as I copied and pasted what he wrote from another site, hopefully you got the PM I sent you with his email address.
Regards
Lyne
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Hi mark I have info regarding Fred and Alice bowman I think Alice was born in Wales
Not according to the censuses if she was Alice Eleanor Williams as given in Nettie's reply
1881 49 Basset Rd, Camberwell, Peckham
RG11; Piece: 687; Folio: 18; Page: 29
Robert Rich. Williams 43 Unemployed baker St Lukes
Caroline H. Williams 32 Westminster
Alice E. Williams 9 Peckham
Eleann C. Williams 6 Peckham
Robert H. Williams 4 Peckham
Baptism
Alice Eleanor Williams
Baptism Date: 6 Jul 1873
Father Robert Richard Williams
Mother Caroline Harriett Williams
Peckham St Mary Magdalene
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Marriage
Alice Eleanor Williams
Age: 18 Birth 1872
Marriage Date: 17 Feb 1890
Marriage Place: Newington, Surrey, England
Father: Robert Williams
Spouse: Frederick William Bowman
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Hi this is the family Fred and Alice were my mums grandparents my mums dad was Albert bowman Fred and Alice's son
Hi Grasses
Fred and alice were also my mum's grandparents. My mum was the daughter of their youngest daughter Stella. From my research they had 13 children, 2 died as children. Their names were Frederick, herman, harriet( rosie) , florence, james, alice, ellen ( nellie), timothy, lucy, stella and alfred. I have quite a bit of info but was looking for more.
I know Alice died around 1964 but can not find a death certificate. I also know she is buried in the Bullions family grave. One of her daughters married george bullion.
Any information on the family would be great.
Their youngest daughter emigrated to australia in the late 50's.
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Possible death?
Alice Bowman
Birth Date: abt 1873
Death: Sep 1963
Age at Death: 90
Dover Kent
Volume: 5b Page: 468
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Possible death?
Alice Bowman
Birth Date: abt 1873
Death: Sep 1963
Age at Death: 90
Dover Kent
Volume: 5b Page: 468
Thanks Groom this could be her.
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Hi Shb1,
I am a granddaughter of Lucy Bowman who was one of the Bowman’s youngest daughters. Both my grandmother and my mother (Joyce Andrews) have always told me that Alice (my great grandmother) died shortly before my birth in June of 1957.
I have a copy of the marriage certificate of Frederick Bowman and Alice Eleanor Williams, dated 17th February 1890. Ages given: Frederick 19 and Alice 18.
I also have a census from 1911 with the names of their children as follows: Herman (16), Harriett (14), Florrie (12), James (9), Alice ( 8 ), Ellen (7), Timothy (4), Lucy (2), Stella (infant). I know they had a younger son (Alf) who was not born at the time of this census.
The names and ages are all correct. The only thing which is not correct is the year of death of Alice which I have often seen mentioned as 1963/1964. My mother’s first cousin is the youngest daughter of Alf (Alice lived with him and his wife Jessie and their three other children from 1939 onwards) and she confirmed to me that Alice died in 1957. So Alice was born July 1871 and passed in the first half of 1957... so she was 85 when she died. Still a grand old age but not in her nineties.
I have a couple of scans of photo’s of her and a photo of her together with Frederick. My mother lost all the other photo’s from the Fred Beauman article and a few other photo’s which were hanging in my grandmother Lucy’s home. Any photo’s you, or anyone else, has for me would be very greatly appreciated!!
If anyone wants to get in touch with me about anything I have stated here and/or to send me information and/or photo’s... please leave a message on this forum and let me know. I have only just this afternoon signed up here and so I have no idea how we can contact eachother.
Greetings, Kay
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Hi Kay
So pleased you have got in touch with me as we are actually related. Our mothers were cousins.
That makes sense that she died in 1957, my mum immigrated with her family to Australia that year when my mum was 17.
My mum Stella is 80 this year. She was born a triplet but one didn’t make it. I also have twins. Mum always said that Nellie ( Ellen) you grandmothers older sister had twins too. Are there any multiple births in your family?
I have the 1911 census too and marriage certificate - have spent a lot of time on ancestry.com but think some of the information may be incorrect. I haven’t looked at it lately.
I would love to chat to you more about the family.
I have a copy of Fred’s article with some photo’s and another article that was in the mirror. I would love copies of the photos you have too.
My email is shberry@bigpond.com
if you contact me
Kind regards
Samantha Berry