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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Clare => Topic started by: Freya Ellingsen on Thursday 02 October 14 13:26 BST (UK)
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Looking for a birth and death entry of John (Johnny) Nugent born in Feakle area died in Scarriff.
It is thought he died in the 30's. He married a Bridget Laughnane unknown date. Sorry not much to go on.
Can anyone help? ??? ???
Thanks,
Fran
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There is a 1914 Scarriff marriage of John NUGENT to Bridget LOUGHNANE Q2 V4 P204 which looks like it would help
There are two John NUGENT deaths in the 1930s
Scarriff 1934 aged 68 Q1 V4 P221 and Scarriff 1936 aged 50 Q4 V4 P221
If you had an idea about his age deciding which he is could help!
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Yes that would be Johns marriage then.
Not sure of death.
His father maybe a Edmond Nugent..
Thanks for your assistance.
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The marriage certificate would show the father's name and help confirm if Edmond is correct
Probable 1911 census record (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Ayle/Baurroe_and_Feakle_Town/368039/) for the family at house 1 in Baurroe and Feakle Town (Ayle, Clare)
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1901 census record (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Ayle/Feakle/1084836/)
implying that John was born c1895
Possible birth record (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBXZ-CZS)
This would also imply that he was aged approx. 40 in the 1930s
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Thanks for all that info it has helped me sort out which John Nugent was ours.
He was born in 1885 and died in 1936 at the age of 50, he is noted as having the middle name of Alphonsus. I'm now interested in finding the correct Edmond Nugent! As there are a few with children of the same names I'm searching for. Any clues?
Cheers,
Fran
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Edmond Nugent his father ::)
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there is a marriage in 1883 Scarriff of a Edmond NUGENT Q1 V4 P302
There are three Margaret's as posssible matches so obtaining the cert and a birth cert for confirmation would be required
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Did you actually get John Nugent's marriage certificate to confirm that his father was Edmond?
The marriage certificate would show the father's name and help confirm if Edmond is correct
Probable 1911 census record (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Ayle/Baurroe_and_Feakle_Town/368039/) for the family at house 1 in Baurroe and Feakle Town (Ayle, Clare)
and
1901 census record (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Ayle/Feakle/1084836/)
implying that John was born c1895
Possible birth record (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBXZ-CZS)
This would also imply that he was aged approx. 40 in the 1930s
then...
Edward Nugent, Bauroe, age 67, died 24 Dec.1928
wife Margaret Nugent, age 53, died 1 Sept.1913
son John (Jacko) Nugent, age 71, died 11 Oct.1964
John's wife Mary Ann, age 75, died 24 Apr.1969
three children of John & Mary Ann also listed-
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/graves/feakle_graveyard_inscriptions2.htm
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Hello,
I'm awaiting that marriage certificate, as I'm in Australia it will take up to three weeks at least it has in the past! From family still in Scarriff, I have been told that Edmond Nugent was their GGGGrandfather who married a Margaret? The 1901 census has two such families, with the head as Edmond and wife as Margaret so....
Cheers,
Fran
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Yes, there's an Edmond Nugent with wife Margaret in 1901 and 1911 but I posted a link to the gravestone information for this family. Their son John "Jack" Nugent was born 1893, married a woman called Mary Ann then died in 1964 which is completely different from the details for your John Nugent.
Best to wait for the marriage certificate to see John Nugent's residence, father's name & occupation, names of witnesses, etc.
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Yes I think so to always waiting waiting!. The John (Jack) Nugent you mention is most likely a cousin.
Our John (AlPhonsus) AKA Johnny Nugent was born in 1885 but not registered till 1886.
We know he married Bridget Laughnane, I have found the birth dates of all their children, I had meet at least 4 of them so I know I have the right John Nugent. :D
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If you know that John Nugent was born in 1885 and birth registrered in 1886 then why don't you have the birth certificate which would list names of both parents?
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Yes I'm waitng for both marriage and birth.....
Birth year is per family only..
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Let us know when you get the certificates (and wjat's on them) so we can try to get information on the correct family for you :)
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Will do ;D
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I have received John Nugent and Bridget Laughane's marriage cert, which states that the father of John was a Martin not Edmond as originally stated! They mixed up the birth cert of John with another John Nugent properly a cousin, so still waiting for the correct John Nugent's birth cert... slow process :(
Fran
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aghadowey
Also now received BC which is attached.
I believe I have the link to Martin and Bridget's family now in the 1901 census, but would now like to establish Martin's fathers line ???
Below the 1901 Census
Residents of a house 2 in Gortaderra (Cloonusker, Clare)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Nugent Martin 50 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
Nugent Bridget 46 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Nugent Mary 24 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Nugent Kate 22 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Nugent Delia 16 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Nugent Gretta 8 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Nugent Edmund 20 Male Son Roman Catholic
Nugent Tom 18 Male Son Roman Catholic
Nugent John 15 Male Son Roman Catholic
Nugent Joe 6 Male Son Roman Catholic
Nugent Martin 3 Male Son Roman Catholic
McNamara Patt 30 Male Servant Roman Catholic
Fran
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possible marriage
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY3F-VMX
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY3F-DPY
some early births
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bfather_givenname%3Amartin~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Anugent~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Abridget~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Amaloney~&collection_id=1584963
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Yes that looks correct I have their marriage abt 1875
;D
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Martins Will
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014917/005014917_00601.pdf
Bridget
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014921/005014921_00580.pdf
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Thankyou! He left a bit of money for those times!
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Yes thanks heapshttp://www.rootschat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/grin.gif for those will extracts, from them I see Martin Nugent died in 1912, so I will try and get his death cert, hoping his father's name is on it! Although I think it's probably a Edmond I will still have problems as I believe there were many Edmond Nugents.....
Cheers
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Irish Death certs dont give fathers names only informant usually wife if still alive or child,but you will get fathers names on marriage cert.
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page 8 here might be of interest to you
http://eastclareheritage.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Sliabh-Aughty-Vol-4-Pdf.pdf
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Thanks for the tips. :D