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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Rustypup on Friday 03 October 14 23:24 BST (UK)
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Hello
Looking for help to trace my grandfather's sister Jane Cook
Found a death notice in my local paper for a Jane , widow of Group Captain Osmond Ridley late
of Newcastle upon Tyne. Can't get more information, can anyone help?
Thanks
Rustypup
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Freebmd shows Osmond and Jane married in 1913 in Morpeth. You don't give any details of where Jane died or when but presumably not recently given she must have been born in the 1890's
www.freebmd.org.uk
You can use freebmd to look for Ridley births with mothers maiden name Cook - there are births in 1914 Helen M 1916 Osmond 1918 Ernest F
You could order a copy of her death cert to see if there is any additional info shown but death certs aren't always a good source of info
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You haven't told us enough about Jane for us to search for more than her marriage, so I looked at her husband as he has such an (nicely) unusual name and his records do tell us a little about Jane (marriage date, d.o.b. of first child, addresses at different times after her marriage)
There is a ww1 army pension record for Osmond George Ridley, just 2 pages. He attested at Newcastle on 17 Dec 1914, his occupation was Grocer and he lived at Burdon Terrace, Bedlington. Nest of Kin was his wife, Jane Ridley (nee Cook) of Burdon Terrace, Bedlington and they were married 31st July 1913 at Bedlington . One child, Helen May Ridley born 18th April 1914.
He attested on 17th Dec and was discharged on 19th Dec as "Not likely to become an efficient soldier", total service 3 days so didn't qualify for a pension :-)
Which is odd, as there is also a ww1 medal card for Osmond George Ridley of the East York rank given as Lieut, Capt, Major which says he served n France in 1916. The correspondence section says (as far as I can tell) that he was an accountant and in 1922 correspondence about his medals was sent to Cairo. Maybe he was judged not likely to be an efficient soldier but was okay to be an accountant and therefore an Officer in an admin capacity? You'd need someone more knowledgable than I to give an opinion on that. Though I think it must be the same man as there is only one Osmond Geore Ridley birth coming up on Free BMD and he was born Q1 1890, Morpeth Registration District so that seems to look likely.
2 Incoming passenger lists for him
1 On the Olympia Bombay to Liverpool, embarked at Port Said, arriving 12 Jul 1924 Capt Osmond George Ridley, soldier, address c/o Lloyds Bank, Pall Mall, London
2 On the Viceroy of India, Bombay to London, embarked at Port Said, Osmond George Ridley, R.A.F., age 41,address Dickinson Crescent, Gosforth, Newcastle
1940 BT phone book has a Wing Commander Osmond G listed at Heather Dene, Etching Hill, Rugeley in Staffs (he he! not many telephones in the area, his number was Rugeley 93)
He died 24 Mar 1949, Administration (with Will) was granted to Lloyds Bank 01 Sep 1949. Probate calendar says his address at the time of death was 40 Highbury, Jesmond, Newcastle and his effects were £2047 10s 2d
Boo
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hmm,
having looked at your previous posts (which I maybe should have done earlier), are you checking every marriage in the country for someone called Jane Cook, hoping to find the Jane Boyd Cook you were looking for who was born in West Kilbride in 1884?
If so, then I think the shorter answer than the one I gave previously would be that the Cook/Ridley marriage is unlikely to be the one you were looking for.
Boo
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Thanks CarolW and Tickettyboo
The Jane Cook I'm searching for would appear to have returned to Ayrshire in Scotland.
Her death was recorded in local paper in 1969 quoting mother of Helen and Ernest and wife of
the late George Osmond Ridley of Newcastle.
The last trace of her was on the 1911 census in Kilbirnie, Ayrshire as a servant to a grain merchant.
I'll order a certificate and hope my search is over.
Rustypup
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Oh good really pleased that it may be the right one after all and hope your search is over.
If I may, though, I'd like to mention for the future that its easier for others to help 'if' you give us as much info as you can. If you'd given the location and text of the newspaper entry it would have been a lot clearer.
but now, hopefully, the info I gave for her husband may come in useful after all :-)
Let us know if its the right one when you get the record, I always 'wonder' if the poster doesn't come back to tell us.
Boo
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There is a partial tree on Ancestry showing the marriage as 3.7.1913 and Jane as born Bedlington. However - it also shows her as Jean Cooke so may not be accurate as to her birthplace
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There is a partial tree on Ancestry showing the marriage as 3.7.1913 and Jane as born Bedlington. However - it also shows her as Jean Cooke so may not be accurate as to her birthplace
I re-checked the ww1 pension record for Osmond and it does seem to say 31st July
Boo
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I also think it is 31st July, but I can see how it could be interpreted as 3rd July. :)
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I think the tree owner may have interpreted the place they married (ie) Bedlington as her birthplace
Still a good idea to get the 1913 marriage cert
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Yes, it does look there has been some 'interpretation' :-)
I think I'd first try to find out if they were married in a church in Bedlington (the service record doesn't say if it was a church or a registrar office wedding). A copy of a church marriage register, if it exists, is lots cheaper than a cert and has the original signatures which is far nicer.
If she died in Scotland, the death cert should give name and occupation of her deceased husband plus both parents' names so may be just as good, if not better, to confirm it - with the usual caveat of 'as far as the informant knew'
Boo
I think the tree owner may have interpreted the place they married (ie) Bedlington as her birthplace
Still a good idea to get the 1913 marriage cert
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You are right about her death certificate. As she died in Scotland both parents names will be shown plus mothers maiden name which is better than just a fathers name on an English marriage cert
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Sadly the Jane Cook married to Osmond George Ridley is not my 'Jane'
Her mother was Penelope Mack and father John Cook
Back to the drawing board
Thanks everyone for all your help
Rustypup
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Is there anyone who could identify where Dickinson Crescent actually was /is. On my grandfather's deed poll notification to the London Gazette 16/07/1919, he notes 86 Dickinson Crescent, Gosforth (Newcastle -on-Tyne) as his current address. However try as I might I can't locate it. I have tried google map amongst others and lists of historical changed and redundant street names and can't find it. I notice however, that Tickettyboo has quoted it in the query above - the only time I've had confirmation that it wasn't an address made up by my grandfather!
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Is there anyone who could identify where Dickinson Crescent actually was /is. On my grandfather's deed poll notification to the London Gazette 16/07/1919, he notes 86 Dickinson Crescent, Gosforth (Newcastle -on-Tyne) as his current address. However try as I might I can't locate it. I have tried google map amongst others and lists of historical changed and redundant street names and can't find it. I notice however, that Tickettyboo has quoted it in the query above - the only time I've had confirmation that it wasn't an address made up by my grandfather!
He he, as I am in the frame for it - though I have no idea where it was, I had a looksee on the NLS maps site
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l5l/
Hopefully, that link will show where it was and the side by side map should give an indication of the current day map.
Do come back if I haven't managed to give the right link, Stan Mapstone is our map guru and I am just a novice!
Boo
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It certainly appears in the 1911 census. After it in the enumerator's book is Three Mile Bridge, then West Gosforth Railway Station. That would seem to place it in this area https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/424264/569687/10/101861 (you might have to zoom out a little to see the map).
However I've looked at all the maps and can't see it anywhere :-\
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Thank you, Jen. Just by chance you have helped me again. I was wondering which houses were already built in North Avenue off Salters Road in 1911. ;D
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Wow
Ticketyboo and JenB - many many thanks.
Boo, you have done me a double favour! I didn't know that the match facility existed!!
Brilliant
Brido
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I had a firkle round the 1911 census and the 1910 Ward's Directory of Newcastle.
One address in the 1911 was given as 5 Dickinson Crescent OR 72 Salter's Road.
The Wards directory had Dickinson Crescent listed but says (see Salter's Road)
Both of these suggest that Dickinson Crescent was probably a block of houses within Salter's Road and would be known by both names. Its fairly common for long roads to be subdivided into Terraces or Crescents.
What surname are you looking for? (PM me if you don't want to post it in here) and I can check the Directory.
Or if you have access to Ancestry (or can get to a library) look at the Wards Directory, if your Granda was there in 1910 he may be listed. which may give you the house number applicable to Salter's Road - if that makes sense. The building 'may' still exist.
Boo
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Got it! :D :D
Boo is absolutely right, it was on Salters Road, not at all where I suggested before ::)
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/424038/568042/12/100509
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=55.0066&lon=-1.6243&layers=6&right=BingHyb
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l5q/
Added Ignore all this, owing to my failure to look properly at Boo's earlier link.
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http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=55.0066&lon=-1.6243&layers=6&right=BingHyb
:-) That appears to be the same link as I posted yesterday. It was your post saying it was listed in the 1911 that led me to firkle. I think we have now pinned it down for Brido, hopefully Granda can be located somewhere on Salter's Road in 1910/1911 which could lead to seeing a modern day view on Google Maps
Boo
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Trust me not to look at links properly. I've edited my over-triumphant posting.