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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: janec123 on Saturday 04 October 14 20:52 BST (UK)
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Hello ,Am hoping someone can help me ,am researching my great great grandfather and is family ,is name was Hill Lilley from Antrim born 1856 died 1938 ,also his wife Martha born 1856,is their any way I can find out if they are buried in a cemetery in Lisburn ,I am planning a visit to Lisburn so would like to find out ,many thanks in advance Jane
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Hi,
As Hill and Martha were married in Magheragall Church of Ireland that might be a good place to start.
Regards
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There might not be a headstone but if they are buried in Magheragall Church of Ireland then the burial register might indicate they are there and a graveyard map (if there is one) might at least show a plot.
"Lilley Hill of 137 Longstone Street Lisburn county Antrim retired labourer died 6 November 1938 at County Mental Hospital Antrim Probate Belfast 5 December to Robert Courtland Bannister solicitor. Effects £606 13s. 10d."
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearch.aspx
If there's a death notice in the local newspaper, and in this case there may not have been, then it might say where the burial was taking place.
Also the Will file at PRONI might possibly mention arrangements.
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Thanks for your help ,im fairly new to this and cant seem to find much information about BDM in Ireland online ,I have an ancestry membership but without maiden names etc im seem to be a bit stuck ,hopefully ill improve as time goes on ,many thanks again
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Do you mean Martha's maiden name? Using a variety of free online searches (not Ancestry)-
Hill Lilly, son of Thomas, m.(2 March 1879 Lisburn district) Martha Hodgen.
Do you want me to search for children?
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Hi ,I was looking for Martha Hodgen's( born 1858) ,place of birth ,and mother and fathers name ,plus Hill lilley's( born 1858) place of birth and mother and fathers name ,I already have the names of the children born to Hill and Martha ,if you could help I would be most grateful ,thank you
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Unfortunately only fathers are listed on Irish marriage certificates. I found that Hill's father was Thomas but couldn't get a match for Martha to see a father's name but you can try searching here-
http://www.ancestryireland.com/family-records/marriage-records-co-antrim-co-down/
Added- marriages usually take place in the bride's church so you could start looking for Martha's family in Magheragall.
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Thanks for all your help ,its much appreciated .
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Hi,
Martha Hodgen's father was called Samuel. The marriage is recorded as LILLY/Hodgen.
Regards
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Martha Hodgen's father was called Samuel. The marriage is recorded as LILLY/Hodgen.
See the problem now- they've put her name as Maartha in the database so when I searched for Martha it didn't show up.
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They seem to also change the spelling of Lilley quite a lot too sometimes its with the E and sometimes without ,thanks for your help
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Hi
reading you thread
a little bit more information
Date 2nd March 1879
Groom Hill Lilly
Age Full
Status Bachelor
Rank Labourer
Abode Magheragall
Father Thomas Lilly
Father’s Occupation Weaver
Bride Martha Hodgen
Age Full
Status Spinister
Rank Labourer
Abode Magheragall
Father Samuel Hodgen
Father’s Occupation Labourer
Note Hill & Martha did not sign their name but rather made their mark
Witnesses George Carson & Eleanor Larmour
Minister Revd Mockler
worth remembering that surnames often become first names, Hill could therefore be his mother's surname
yours magheragall
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Thanks so much for the info ,didn't know that about surnames becoming first names ,I did think it was a strange first name to have !
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It was, and is, very common for surnames to be used as first or middle names in Ulster, mainly amongst non-Catholic families. The surname can be mother's maiden name or from a variety of other places such as grandmother's maiden name, uncle by marriage, family friend, landlord, local doctor, minister or schoolteacher, etc. The possiblities are endless. Quite often the first name will be carried with it so that James Smyth Hamilton, known as Smyth perhaps, will have been named after a James Smyth or a Mary Brown Smyth will have been named after a Mary Brown.
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So I should be looking for a Thomas Lilley who married a woman with the surname of Hill maybe ?
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Not really. At the present time I have several relatives whose first or middle name they are known by originated as a surname. These surnames originally come from-
1) maiden surname of childless uncle's wife (so no blood relation)
2) grandmother's maiden name
3) great-grandmother's maiden name
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Not so easy then lol
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Hi Janec, I have a record of a thomas Lilly who married Sarah Crawford on 5th June 1853 at Hillsborough C?Ireland. I think these are Hill Lilly's parents.
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Hi Heather ,Thanks so much for the information ,im relatively new to this so your help is much appreciated ,Jane x
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Janec, I have been researching my illusive Lilley for years so have collected quite a bit of info on the Lilley/Lilly/Lillie line. Thomas Lilley the one I mentioned Had other children, Samuel, born 19 March 1865, Moses George, born 1 March 1868, Jonathon, born 6 May 1871, Henry, born 30 July 1874, I think a Joseph born c 1855? I am think these are his siblings and estimate Hill was born c 1856? Hope this helps. Let me know what other info you need. regards Heather
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Hi Heather ,Hill was born in 1856 ,my granddad was named after him ,Hills son ,my great granddad Thomas came over to Scotland but I think most of them must have stayed in Ireland unless you know different lol. My research is very basic it looks like you have a lot more information, would be grateful for anything you could tell me x
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The Belfast Gazette of 27th January 1939, in giving notice of charitable bequests, mentions that Hill Lilley left the residue of his estate to charities in the Lisburn area and in particular that a sum be given to Lisburn Methodist Church. Perhaps he had links with the church in his later years.
Appreciate you probably already have looked at them, but just posting 1901 and 1911 census here to make it easy for others to see your great grandad Thomas' siblings (as you think they remained in Ireland):
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Lisburn/Longstone_Street/1001343/
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Lisburn/Longstone_Street/201775/
by 1911, one of the siblings is married and living at another property in Longstone Street:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Lisburn/Longstone_Street/201752/
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Hi ,Thanks for that info , we had always wondered where the money had gone ,so now we know it was given to charity which is nice to know other people benefited from it ,the other relative in the other address in Longstone road had a child William Hill Lilley in 1909, I traced him to Colchester ,he died in 1973 ,I got his death certificate thinking I could maybe find a son or daughter etc but he died as a result of an accident so the informant was the coroner ,would you have any ideas as how to find if he ever married or had children,many thanks for all your help already x
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From another forum, I notice you said Minnie, Thomas' sister, had proved elusive. Wondering if by any chance she is the same Minnie who is in Longstone Street in 1911, as wife of a William Irwin. Unfortunately the index I checked for the 1909 marriage of William is missing a potential spouse entry. Might be worth your while trying to check this further.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Lisburn/Longstone_Street/201826/
Your existing thread on William Hill Lilley:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=703413.0
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Thanks for your help,i will check this out ,I did try emailing the coroner regarding William Hill Lilley but had no success ,yet another mystery lol x
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... William Hill Lilley in 1909, I traced him to Colchester ,he died in 1973 ,I got his death certificate thinking I could maybe find a son or daughter etc but he died as a result of an accident so the informant was the coroner ,would you have any ideas as how to find if he ever married or had children,
English death certificate will not list parents' names no matter who the informant was. You can use FreeBMD site to find vitla records in England & Wales although most recent details may not yet be covered.
You are more likely to find details in an obituary or report of the accident in the local newspaper(s). Don't think Coroner's receords are kept more than 20 years but hopefully someone will know.
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From another forum, I notice you said Minnie, Thomas' sister, had proved elusive. Wondering if by any chance she is the same Minnie who is in Longstone Street in 1911, as wife of a William Irwin. Unfortunately the index I checked for the 1909 marriage of William is missing a potential spouse entry. Might be worth your while trying to check this further.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Lisburn/Longstone_Street/201826/
Your existing thread on William Hill Lilley:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=703413.0
Emerald Ancestors free search should match up the first name of the bride and GRONI search the bride's surname (then can look for bride on EA site to cross-check). This Co.Antrim/Down database is also good for matching up the details-
http://www.ancestryireland.com/family-records/marriage-records-co-antrim-co-down/
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the other relative in the other address in Longstone road had a child William Hill Lilley in 1909, I traced him to Colchester ,he died in 1973 ,I got his death certificate thinking I could maybe find a son or daughter etc but he died as a result of an accident so the informant was the coroner ,would you have any ideas as how to find if he ever married or had children,many thanks for all your help already x
see thread https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=723460.msg5676981#msg5676981