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Hiya
Just trying to do some tidying up of tricky loose ends and wondered if anyone can help find the following person for me on the 1901 and 1911 census ?
Robinson Dunn - b. 1878 North Shields who married Harriet Adella Lowry in 1901 in Tynemouth.
I have Harriet (unmarried) living with her uncle and aunt in 1901 (Eskdale) in North Shields.
In 1911 Harriet (married) is at home in Tynemouth (wife) with two children.
I cannot however find Robinson in 1901.
His marriage certificate (1901) has his address as Ropery Banks where his mother lived however he is not at that address on the 1901 census night.
I also cannot find him in 1911.
I know he died in 1915 at Morpeth county asylum. His address given by Harriet (his widow) was
22 Appleby Street, North Shields, though her residence was given as 9 Addison Street, North Shields. His cause of death was General paralysis (8 years). I cannot find Appleby Street on the 1911 census (find my past) and have trawled through the inmates in the workhouse (not sure if this is the asylum ?) but he is not there.
So, if anyone can find him that would be really helpful !!!
On another note, I see records are kept for Morpeth county asylum at the archives in Woodhorn. As I live in NZ its not so easy to get there - so does anyone know of any records e.g. admissions registers etc being online ?
Thanks for your help !
Victoria
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Hi
If he was a seaman, he might be on vessel Galatea in Medway, Kent - see RG13/740/23/6
We can't do look ups for 1911.
Gadget
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Thanks for looking for me. I have seen this entry before but am not convinced it is him for the following reasons:
- don't think he had a middle name
- born north shields not Newcastle
- I haven't found any evidence that he was a sailor. His marriage certificate (1901) states he was a fireman (though I do acknowledge this could have been on a boat), and his death (1915) that he was a former general labourer.
I guess I was hoping someone would come up with something which I felt was a better match lol ;-)
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....also just read the rules on 1911....sorry, so disregard that request please :-)
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I'd think that it is fairly likely that a fireman would be on board a ship in those days. This would explain why he wasn't 'at home' on census night. Interestingly, his brother Charles is an Engineer on the vessel T W Mould in 1901.
Given that he was on a vessel docked in Kent, the master (b. in Lancashire) might well have put down Newcastle rather that N Shields/Tynemouth. It's not all that much of a distance - I go there regularly!
Gadget
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You mentioned that he was living with his mother around 1901. Could you say what his mother's name was?
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You mentioned that he was living with his mother around 1901. Could you say what his mother's name was?
Hi doddsie4
Her name is Ann Dunn - in 1901 is at RG13/4799/39/22, a widow.
In 1891 the (very large) family are at RG12/4223/61/29
Gadget
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I cannot find Appleby Street on the 1911 census (find my past)
Go to the 1911 search page.
In 'Address' enter Appleby Street
In 'Registration District' enter Tynemouth.
Or for the exact address you mention above enter 22 Appleby Street to get the residents of that house.
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You say he was born North Shields not Newcastle. I often tell folk I was born Newcastle as they do not know where Morpeth is but understand if I tell them Newcastle. Maybe he just chose the city as a lot of folk did not know where NS was.
Just a thought
Jac
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You say he was born North Shields not Newcastle. I often tell folk I was born Newcastle as they do not know where Morpeth is but understand if I tell them Newcastle. Maybe he just chose the city as a lot of folk did not know where NS was.
Just a thought
Jac
I agree Jac. Especially when the vessel had people from many different counties on it, so to the master, born in Lancashire, Tyneside might well be regarded as Newcastle. (Apolgies to other Tynesiders - I even know where North Shields becomes Tynemouth :D)
Gadget
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A few thoughts from me :)
- don't think he had a middle name
That doesn't mean he didn't have one :)
- born north shields not Newcastle
Agree 100% with what Gadget and Jac have said
- I haven't found any evidence that he was a sailor. His marriage certificate (1901) states he was a fireman (though I do acknowledge this could have been on a boat), and his death (1915) that he was a former general labourer.
He could well have been a fireman on a ship.
He could have stopped working on ships and become a 'general labourer' after that.
Or his wife might not have known how to describe his occupation and opted for general labourer to cover all possibilities.
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If he was a patient in the Asylum in 1911 the name would only have been written as initials.
Have you checked to see if there is an 'R. D.' who fits?
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Agree, Jennifer :), particularly if he had been suffering from general paralysis* (? of the insane) for 8 years.
* would this also be more prevalent amongst mariners?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_paresis_of_the_insane
and
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=292601.0
Gadget
Added - I see that Victoria had found out about this 3- years ago:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=535387.0
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the feedback, think I need to see if I can find any other evidence of him being a sailor to tidy this loose end up !
JenB - I have been through the 1911 census for the workhouse in Morpeth, which I am currently trying to confirm whether it was the asylum. Interestingly they actually have full names not just the initials on the census!
Gadget - you are right, I have visited Robinson Dunn before and got his death certificate etc (part of a bigger mystery surrounding my great grandparents!)......just trying to tidy up some loose ends I haven't looked at for a while....can't believe its been 3 years though !
Thanks guys !
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I cannot find Appleby Street on the 1911 census (find my past)
Go to the 1911 search page.
In 'Address' enter Appleby Street
In 'Registration District' enter Tynemouth.
Or for the exact address you mention above enter 22 Appleby Street to get the residents of that house.
I tried to search like this and it doesn't bring up the 1911 census just the 1901 census. This census is quite interesting as I haven't noticed before that living at the address given on Robinson Dunns death certificate (my great grandmothers first husband) is my great grandfathers (the 2nd husband) brother, wife and children !!! My great grandmother ended up having children with my great grandfather before her first husband (Robinson) died........ what tangled webs we weave :-)
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I tried to search like this and it doesn't bring up the 1911 census just the 1901 census.
As I said in my posting, you must use the 1911 search page :)
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/1911-census-for-england-and-wales
I have just double-checked and following the instructions I gave yesterday definitely brings up Appleby Street, North Shields in 1911.
I think perhaps you were using the general 'Census Land and Surveys' page
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JenB - I have been through the 1911 census for the workhouse in Morpeth, which I am currently trying to confirm whether it was the asylum. Interestingly they actually have full names not just the initials on the census!
In which case you are not looking at Morpeth Asylum: they only have initials for the inmates, as I said yesterday.
On the 1911 search page enter the initials R christian name box and D in the surname box, select the registration district Morpeth (nothing else is needed) and that will get you into the pages for the asylum.
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Hi again
I agree with Jennifer about both searches. Yesterday~
I found Appleby Street on the 1911 and also No. 22.
I checked up and found there were person(s) with the relevant initials at the asylum.
Gadget
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hehehe finally got there and its a good trick to know to go to the 1911 search page....... found appleby st and the asylum :-)
Back to RD - born in Doddington......not North Shields.....thoughts ?
as for 22 appleby street, don't see any connection there.
oh well........
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I don't think anyone would confuse Doddington with North Shields
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Doddington/
Gadget
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I don't think anyone would confuse Doddington with North Shields
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Doddington/
Agreed - Doddington is a good distance from North Shields.
(They make a very nice Ice Cream there ;D )
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Back to RD - born in Doddington......not North Shields.....thoughts ?
Just to clarify one thing - I wasn't suggesting that any of those named RD in the Asylum was necessarily 'your' Robinson Dunn. It was simply an easy way to direct you to the right pages for the Asylum :)
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Thanks guys...I too thought Doddington was a bit far to be confused with N Shields, but also felt the same about Newcastle and North Shields, so just wanted to sanity check :-)
JenB - searching the initials is a good tip for asylums, thanks for that :-)