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I am trying to find more information on Daniel Thomas who lived at 10 Cornwall road, williamstown, penygraig , Rhondda. he committed suicide on 15 th December 1907. Are there coroners reports available from that time?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
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Not sure, but you could try the local Newspapers for a report.
Good luck
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Try this site,once you find out how to get round it it is very informative and covers the dates you need http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/home
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Hi there,
Thank you very much for the information, no luck yet, but I will keep trying.
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I am trying to find more information on Daniel Thomas who lived at 10 Cornwall road, williamstown, penygraig , Rhondda. he committed suicide on 15 th December 1907. Are there coroners reports available from that time?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
How old was he when he committed suicide? Do you have the Death Cert?
An Uncle of mine committed suicide in Swansea in 1930. There was an Inquest, but the papers were destroyed in the 1970's. It was certainly reported in the press at the time though. If you give more details I will have another look for you.
Romilly.
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hello Romilly,
thank you very much for your reply. I do have death certificate. Daniel Thomas, male 54 years old. Strangulation by hanging (suicide during temporary insanity) . Address 10 Cornwall road, Williamston, Penyqraiq, date 15th December 1907. Coroner David Rees inquest 17 December 1907.
I have looked in newspapers on line but haven't had any luck.
Regards Pinkteedee
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Hi,
Have you contacted the county archives and asked if the Inquest file has survived?
http://www.glamarchives.gov.uk/
Nanny Jan
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Hi,
No I haven't , I understood that coroners reports were their property and were usually thrown away when the coroner retired.
I will email archives tomorrow.
Thanks for your advice
Regards
Pinkteedee
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Good Luck!
I found an Inquest file from 1902 at the London Metropolitan Archives so not all were thrown away. :)
Nanny Jan
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Thanks,
I have just sent email to archives.
Regards
Pinkteedee
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I've just had a quick search on the Welsh Papers online Site, - but can't find your man:
http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk
However, perhaps someone more familiar with that Site than I am might be able to find something.
Fingers crossed that the reports for 1907 have survived! (I know that those for the 1930's were destroyed in the 1970's:-(
Romilly.
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Thanks very much for looking
Regards
Pinkteedee
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You might also find the info on here of use:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/coroners-inquests.htm
(I will look further for you tomorrow, - as busy at the present moment).
Best Wishes, Romilly.
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What I find interesting is that a week or so ago, on the Jeremy Vine show they were talking about suicide by hanging and they had a so called expert on who said you couldn't tell from a death certificate that a person had committed suicide.
I knew that was wrong as my husband's 2 x g.grandfather's cause of death was "Strangulation by hanging, suicidal, temporary insanity induced by excessive alcohol" that was in 1882, now pinkteedee also has a similar cause of death for someone in 1907.
I wonder if things have changed since that time or if, as the "expert" was Scottish, he only knew about Scottish certificates and assumed the other UK certs were the same. Certainly when I downloaded the notification of my grandfather from Scotlandspeople, there were 2 other names on the page and one of them was a 25 year old who died on a river bank from a gunshot wound to the head but there was no comment about whether it was suicide or not.
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Well, - that so called 'expert' was wrong!
I'm attaching the cause of death bit from my Uncle's Death Cert, (1930) and it clearly says 'suicide'. I believe that the 'on a sudden impulse' comment was to spare the family from the stigma of depression... (OK, it won't attach here for some reason).
Of course, attempting suicide was a crime, until (I think) as late as the 1960's, - and so not something that people would have wanted to talk about.
Pinkteedee, - so many Daniel Thomas's in Wales at that time! Do you have a definate Date and Place of Birth, & was he Married? Also, so you have him on any of the Censuses?
Romilly.
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Yes I know that there are many many Daniel Thomas. The reason that I am searching is that he is interred in a family grave in trealaw cemetery and his name doesn't fit with the other occupants. Davies is the surname which is extremely difficult to research! I have asked before on this board if any body had any thoughts as to why he is in this grave.
I only have the death certificate....
Thanks for your help anyway, I might not ever find out any information.
Regards
Pinkteedee
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I'm surprised he's in a named grave. (My Uncle who committed suicide is in an unmarked grave). Does it actually say on the gravestone that he was a suicide?
And was he definately a relative?
Romilly.
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Hi there,
Sadly no headstone, but according to my information he is in the grave, I don't even know if he was a relation, that's why I am intrigued. I don't live nearby either, so it's interenet research only for me.
Regards
Pinkteedee
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Hi,
The last time I contacted The West Glamorgan Archives on this issue, I got this reply:
'Coroner’s reports between 1900 and the 1970s have not survived'.
And so your only option really is to see if the suicide you're interested in was reported in the Local Press at the time. (My Uncle's suicide was, also the result of the Coroner's Inquest was reported, in 'The South Wales Post'). I'm not local either, but I wrote to Swansea Public Library, and they looked it up for me. (Either them or Bevbee on here did anyway).
Good Luck!
Romilly.
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Hi,
This may or may not help you there are 7 persons in the plot including Daniel Thomas as you say all with the name of Davies. 3 in 1897 Then Daniel Thomas in 1907. Then you have 1933, 1948 & 1963.
Have you tried using the Death Notice records ? These are kept at Treorchy Library. Using these would possibly give you the person who informed of the burial who purchased the grave etc. Worth a try as I have a person in one of my family graves not family. Turns out it was a workmates child and at that time they could not afford a grave friends helped out in the early 1900s. I have the Death Notice No's if you require them.
Regards
Brian
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Hello Brian,
Yesterday I sent an email asking for more details on the burial number for Daniel Thomas to treorchy library.
My fathers ashes were put in the grave in 1963.
Daniel Thomas is the only person who was not a family member. My grandfather had purchased the plot. I think it could be a similar situation as yours , that possibly he was a fellow coal hewer and was put in the grave due to his family's lack of funds.
Thank you for the information and for taking the time to give me the information.
Regards
Pinkteedee